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Knock off the SC2 vs BW vs LoL vs whatever crap please.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
March 24 2012 17:50 GMT
#41
On March 25 2012 02:20 HejaBVB wrote:
How long does a "ProLeague" last? 1 Month?


6 ish. used to be 10.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
March 24 2012 17:51 GMT
#42
On March 25 2012 02:12 Captain Peabody wrote:
Show nested quote +
An unnamed Korean industry insider said "There is a strong possibility that the next season of Proleague will have both SCBW and SC2, and the next one after that will have only SC2".

This would not make me happy.



THis would be a completey disaster, both from BW fans and SC2 fans point of view. Honestly, that's the worst possible option.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
March 24 2012 17:51 GMT
#43
On March 25 2012 02:47 Tsuki.eu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:34 MetalLobster wrote:
I don't see why they have to eliminate BW


because nothing lasts forever?


whats the point of esports if it can't last forever and everyone has to move to a new and shiny game,so i'm not hating on SC2 or anything i'm just saying.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
DeadBull
Profile Joined August 2011
421 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 17:53:57
March 24 2012 17:53 GMT
#44
On March 25 2012 02:48 Glioburd wrote:
I just hope that good BW pros will not switch on SC2. It would be painful to see Flash or JD losing to coinflip guys like MKP or any foreigner.


MKP is a coinflip guy?
fuck you man, he's probably the hardest practicing sc2 pro on earth
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
March 24 2012 17:53 GMT
#45
Terrible if it comes to pass, having players play 2 differend games is only going to lead to bad games >_>
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
March 24 2012 17:53 GMT
#46
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.


Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.


Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
March 24 2012 17:53 GMT
#47
Ughhhh I don't want to see BW die, but I do want to see SC2 continue to progress. An influx of BW pros into SC2 would be kinda awesome.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 24 2012 17:53 GMT
#48
On March 25 2012 02:12 Captain Peabody wrote:
Show nested quote +
An unnamed Korean industry insider said "There is a strong possibility that the next season of Proleague will have both SCBW and SC2, and the next one after that will have only SC2".

This would not make me happy.


Yeah, mixing both sc and sc2 in a single league is not a good idea, I doubt anybody would like that, regardless whether sc or sc2 fan. :-/
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 17:54:48
March 24 2012 17:54 GMT
#49
I don't want to see professional BW die until SC2's expansion improved its game design drastically. Less A move units like mauraders and collosi, more units like vulture/spider mines and lurkers and reavers.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
March 24 2012 17:54 GMT
#50
On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.


Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.


Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.


koreans or foreginers?

foreginers is only a little over 1000, if its a rivalry series like KT vs SKT easily jumps to 3000+
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
March 24 2012 17:55 GMT
#51
Class act by Gom to be so nice to KESPA/other tournaments in Korea when they basically got shut out by them in BW.
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
March 24 2012 17:56 GMT
#52
On March 25 2012 02:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.


Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.


Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.


koreans or foreginers?

foreginers is only a little over 1000, if its a rivalry series like KT vs SKT easily jumps to 3000+

On TL restreams yeah. But overall hard to tell nowadays, with the youtube Esportstv stream and all.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 17:57:13
March 24 2012 17:56 GMT
#53
On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.


Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.


Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.


I regularly see 1000+ across all retreams for a regular proleague match, which is more than what NASL and IPL sometimes get.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
March 24 2012 17:57 GMT
#54
On March 25 2012 02:55 MK4512 wrote:
Class act by Gom to be so nice to KESPA/other tournaments in Korea when they basically got shut out by them in BW.


ugh please do some research thep layers themselves were too stressed to play on gom while having to deal with proleague, OSL and MSL
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 18:02:24
March 24 2012 17:58 GMT
#55
On March 25 2012 02:49 Lyter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.



because the foreign scene is BW's main source of viewership right? God that is such a dumb statement


Let's not be in denial though. As amazing as BW is, its popularity is on the decline.

There is a reason Team 8 with big name players such as Jaedong and Sea fail to get any sponsor. Someone also posted a figure how TV rating for BW keeps dropping year after year. MBCGame went down for a reason. Milkis and many people who have access to insider news have actually said that this development will happen over and over again since 3 years ago. Of course it was met with " SOURCE PLS OR GTFO???" but deep down everyone know it's inevitable.

All the time in BW LR thread, people have already accepted the fact. Comments about how this is the last proleague,the last osl, how they want their teams to win it for the last time are everywhere.

That said, there is no guarantee that SC2 will be the premier Esports in Korea. LoL's momentum is huge. Social games are way more popular everywhere. Even more so with Korean cultures of playing with friends in PC Bang. Games like MMO or LoL or Dota 2 where you can play with many people at once have the advantage.

People are right though. The number of SC2 players are on the decline. SC2 in a very short time has become a game that people watch but doesn't play. That is not sustainable especially compared with its competitions which are played by millions of people daily.

The move is good step for those who want an RTS as the no1 esport title but blizzard need to get their shit together and fix bnet/social aspect of sc2 so people actually play the game again
Cenja
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden498 Posts
March 24 2012 17:59 GMT
#56
On March 25 2012 02:34 MetalLobster wrote:
I don't see why they have to eliminate BW

I think that BW isn't doing that well financial, they have a hard time to find sponsors and Blizzard is willing to sponsor a OGN SC2 proleague. OGN wants Blizzard's money, but viewers won't watch SC2 over BW so they have to drop BW.
This is just me speculating ofcourse.
Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
March 24 2012 17:59 GMT
#57
On March 25 2012 02:59 FiReMaN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:34 MetalLobster wrote:
I don't see why they have to eliminate BW

I think that BW isn't doing that well financial, they have a hard time to find sponsors and Blizzard is willing to sponsor a OGN SC2 proleague. OGN wants Blizzard's money, but viewers won't watch SC2 over BW so they have to drop BW.
This is just me speculating ofcourse.

Bingo.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
March 24 2012 17:59 GMT
#58
On March 25 2012 02:36 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:31 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:21 Risljaninasim wrote:
If the BW pros come to Sc2, it will be awesome.

This. I'm already hyped as hell for this.

jaedong will put zergs to shame.


jaedong vs DRG in a GSL finals, it will be a battle of the dongs :D I would love to see how a top tier BW zerg could potentially innovate and reinvent the SC2 zerg playstyle.
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howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
March 24 2012 18:01 GMT
#59
On March 25 2012 02:56 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 02:53 Tsuki.eu wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:
On March 25 2012 02:48 theBALLS wrote:
BW fanboys will have to admit that as awesome as BW is, its heyday is over. Just look at BW tourney viewership on TL. It's abysmal.


Those are BW tourney restreams. Foreign community doesn't watch BW.


Just out of curiosity, how many ppl watch a normal bw stream? not the super duper finals, just a regular game like on GSL or NASL/IPL.


I regularly see 1000+ across all retreams for a regular proleague match, which is more than what NASL and IPL sometimes get.

If you want to belittle something you could also mention that most pros streaming their practice games also get 1000+ views, which makes those BW restreams look ridiculous.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 18:01:54
March 24 2012 18:01 GMT
#60
On March 25 2012 02:25 Eluadyl wrote:
Is it BW getting old or BW pros getting old. Always confuses me. I don't follow the BW scene so I have no idea if new names are still emerging and keeping the competition alive.


While some BW Pro's are getting old, there has been a decent amount of new talent showing itself this season. The fact that all 8 teams are so stacked, combined with the return to the Bo5 format has limited playing opportunities for rookies this season, but a lot of low to mid level players have shown real improvement.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
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