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On March 08 2012 02:13 Thurken wrote:
You should stop make threads like that...
The last one was enough.
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can we please be able to enjoy a great ladder run from a great player?
I don't see why he should stoping making threads like this oO
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On March 08 2012 01:57 The_Darkness wrote:
4. Stephano is getting these results because of the skill cap on MMR. False and idiotic. There are only a handful of players with MMRs comparable to Stephano; unless they happen to be searching for a game at the time Stephano plays, they obviously will not be matched with him and so by necessity he ends up playing some masters level players and lower ranked GMs. The same thing would happen if they removed the skill cap.
Explain to me how a scrubby masters player as myself can get matched against White-Ra, HuK and other top10 GM players if not for the mmr cap? I should never be allowed to play these guys, it's a free win for them 99% of the time. I never played these kind of people before the mmr cap.
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On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote:On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote:
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Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good.
Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner.
oh and Idra does that? He gets a Code S seed, and goes straigth into Code B! Lulz..
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On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote:On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote:
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Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good.
Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner.
Lol that's just wrong. No foreigner was even close to winning an MLG since columbus last year except for Huk who had an extremely easy and lucky path with a bunch of PvP...No foreigner was able to qualify for code A... So you're basically saying that there's no such a thing as "top foreigner"?
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On March 08 2012 02:29 Kznn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:13 Thurken wrote:
You should stop make threads like that...
The last one was enough. ? can we please be able to enjoy a great ladder run from a great player? I don't see why he should stoping making threads like this oO
Because once again such thread made some of the fanboys believe stephano's just like flash.
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On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote:On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote:
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Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good.
Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner.
Ret just gave an interview this week in which he said that Stephano was the best in Europe - ie better than himself. Is he talking nonsense too? Surely Ret is well-placed to make such a judgement call. Maybe you should contact the writers of that Interview and tell them Ret does not know what he is talking about.
How come JP did not invite you on State of the Game, to tell Nestea he was full of nonsense, when Nestea stated straight out that the best Foreigner was Stephano? Must have been an oversight on JP's part. Also somewhat strange that JP, Catz, InControl and NoNy did not even challenge or react with surprise at Nestea's statement about Stephano. No doubt you would have told them the truth about how things actually are! LOL
JP you need to get this Hunts fellow on State of the Game instead of know-nothings like Nestea! LOL
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On March 08 2012 02:34 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote:On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote:
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Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. Ret just gave an interview this week in which he said that Stephano was the best in Europe - ie better than himself. Is he talking nonsense too? Surely Ret is well-placed to make such a judgement call. Maybe you should contact the writers of that Interview and tell them Ret does not know what he is talking about. How come JP did not invite you on State of the Game, to tell Nestea he was full of nonsense, when Nestea stated straight out that the best Foreigner was Stephano? Must have been an oversight on JP's part. Also somewhat strange that JP, Catz, InControl and NoNy did not even challenge or react with surprise at Nestea's statement about Stephano. No doubt you would have told them the truth about how things actually are! LOL JP you need to get this Hunts fellow on State of the Game instead of know-nothings like Nestea! LOL
show me that please :D i missed that SOTG 
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While I think these ladder stats are irrelevant and Stephano's diehard fanboys are annoying, he is definitely the top foreign zerg, and makes a strong case for overall best foreigner.
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Stephano is wasting his time playing on EU ladder, he will actually get worse if he continues to play against people that don't challenge his skill level.
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On March 08 2012 02:36 HyDrA_solic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:34 revel8 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote:On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote:
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Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree
This good enough for you?
I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. Ret just gave an interview this week in which he said that Stephano was the best in Europe - ie better than himself. Is he talking nonsense too? Surely Ret is well-placed to make such a judgement call. Maybe you should contact the writers of that Interview and tell them Ret does not know what he is talking about. How come JP did not invite you on State of the Game, to tell Nestea he was full of nonsense, when Nestea stated straight out that the best Foreigner was Stephano? Must have been an oversight on JP's part. Also somewhat strange that JP, Catz, InControl and NoNy did not even challenge or react with surprise at Nestea's statement about Stephano. No doubt you would have told them the truth about how things actually are! LOL JP you need to get this Hunts fellow on State of the Game instead of know-nothings like Nestea! LOL show me that please :D i missed that SOTG
It's on JP's youtube channel, episode 64. The part about Stephano is 1hr 35 minutes mark. Nestea was interviewed and Hwanni was translating.
http://www.youtube.com/itmeJP
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The reason why these threads are annoying, though, is that they really aren't that impressive and aren't of interest to anyone but stephano fans. Hence, putting it in the stephano fanclub. You don't see a thread for MMA's IEM 10-0 game streak, or the fact that he wins everything all of the time including korean stacked tournaments. Yet stephano gets a thread about his ladder winrate which is not even that far from others such as Nerchio, Bly, who are also not considered top top players. Its obviously not that hard for professionals of that level to get crazy winstreaks on EU ladder.
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Man, I almost hate to see Stephano outperforming IdrA in every regard like this. It's just depressing, not because I wish the worse for Stephano, but because IdrA was the guy who 'got' me into SC2 competitive scene, and I loved watching him, thinking, this is why I play Zerg.
Now I look up to the "I am le tired". Granted, Stephano is amazing, and he deserves every accolade he gets. I just wish other NA Zergs would catch up.
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Honestly, I think Happy's record looks much better when you consider the sample size.
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I've been watching his stream. He seems bored while beating these top EU players.
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On March 08 2012 02:46 BlueBoxSC wrote:
Man, I almost hate to see Stephano outperforming IdrA in every regard like this. It's just depressing, not because I wish the worse for Stephano, but because IdrA was the guy who 'got' me into SC2 competitive scene, and I loved watching him, thinking, this is why I play Zerg.
Now I look up to the "I am le tired". Granted, Stephano is amazing, and he deserves every accolade he gets. I just wish other NA Zergs would catch up.
Sheth was on a Day[9] Daily a few weeks back talking about how he has been watching Stephano streaming, and how he has tried to adopt/copy/steal Stephano's tactics against Protoss which are very potent. Will be interesting to see how Sheth does against Protoss moving forward.
Isn't the whole essense of the 'metagame' adapt or die?
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Amazing run yet again, but I feel like he could be better spending his limited practise time elsewhere. Although if he’s just streaming for the fans and that playing on the ladder is the most convenient way to do it, good for him. I personally like watching his stream. The skill is there for all to see.
The arguments here about being top foreigner will last till eternity, much like best football players, boxing, etc. it’s part of the sporting fandom. It’s interesting how some people are quite stubborn though and you’ll just go round in circles.
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On March 08 2012 02:39 zefreak wrote:
While I think these ladder stats are irrelevant and Stephano's diehard fanboys are annoying, he is definitely the top foreign zerg, and makes a strong case for overall best foreigner.
I think this sums up my feelings as well (and should generalize to any diehard fanboys, although Stephano's fans are about as vocal as they come- especially when it comes to making multiple new threads about random things).
Stephano is having an awesome ladder run. Very cool. He is very good.
Hopefully he'll do well in his next tournament, which is a hundred times more important. Good luck to him in the future!
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On March 07 2012 18:37 Tump wrote:
Talented former Warcraft 3 player with lots of dedication and skill and time to practice. His practice methods work, foreigners should use him as an example to improve.
Also, EU>NA not necessarily true, especially at the very top level that Stephano plays at. Many Koreans fill the high GM League on NA. So once you get to that level (where Stephano plays at) than NA is probably harder. Obviously below that is much more European favored.
This has to be a troll post, there are only a small number of koreans that ladder on NA, and they are almost all not top tier players.
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On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote:I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvpLadder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea.
Well said. I want to see how Stephano does on KR.
And with a 224-19 record, I'm pretty sure that the is real MVP.
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On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote:On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:08 XRaDiiX wrote:
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Really trying to take away his from his ladderun? winning above 90% on NA,EU is actually pretty damn good.
Stephano has proven in Tournaments he is easily a Code S level player. Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner.
IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.)
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