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clwzim
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil65 Posts
March 07 2012 18:54 GMT
#201
stephano is an awesome player. but im sry he only dominates this way bcs ladder is full of cheese and 2base all-in's bad timed, i know cause im 1 of these ppl.
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
March 07 2012 18:56 GMT
#202
On March 08 2012 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
When you're better than every single other person on the server by the margin that Stephano is, not too surprising. I really wish he'd man up and stay in Korea longer. He's completely outgrown the EU server.


It's not a question of manhood, it's a question of common sense.. You guys love to brin the "man up" sentence everywhere you can.
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 19:02:19
March 07 2012 18:59 GMT
#203
TBH this is a problem for Stephano rather than a boon. I watched him stream a few times and his opponents simply do not challenge him. He is unable to learn anything from the EU ladder and it's no wonder he's bored.

Having said that, the ladder results do mean something, especially the ratio. Getting Rank 1 GM on Ladder with 60% win rate is one thing, getting Rank 1 GM on Ladder with 90% win rate another.

The kind of people who get 80-90% win rates against their regional peers are either hackers or the top players of that region. Look at Stephano's peers in win ratio on the other servers. They're the top players of their regions. They aren't the only top players of their regions, because not every top player ladders, but they're top players nonetheless.

It doesn't mean he's going to win tournaments, but it means that he has the potential to win tournaments. But really, we're way past that stage with Stephano. He wins tournaments.

Stephano is the most hyped up EU player since Kas, and he deserves the hype.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
March 07 2012 19:09 GMT
#204
He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win.

Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV.

He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different.

What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
March 07 2012 19:12 GMT
#205
On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote:
He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win.

Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV.

He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different.

What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history.



Guillaume would like to have a word with you. It's not unheard of, it's just not likely.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 07 2012 19:16 GMT
#206
On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote:
He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win.

Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV.

He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different.

What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history.


If he could be he would be. He isn't.

Why isn't this thread in his fan club? Or at least in the other thread of the exact same nature?
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
March 07 2012 19:16 GMT
#207
On March 08 2012 03:56 Dawg_Snow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
When you're better than every single other person on the server by the margin that Stephano is, not too surprising. I really wish he'd man up and stay in Korea longer. He's completely outgrown the EU server.


It's not a question of manhood, it's a question of common sense.. You guys love to brin the "man up" sentence everywhere you can.


All the Europeans practicing in Korea could be making significantly more money by training in Europe and entering every tournament out there like Stephano does. But they aspire for a higher level of competition. It also just so happens that this is extra entertaining, as I get to see foreigners against Koreans. I simply wish Stephano would do the same =)
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1185 Posts
March 07 2012 19:18 GMT
#208
Stephano also always impresses me with his pure playing speed. Sometimes when I tune in his stream I think he's watching a replay on 2x or 4x, while he's actually just playing ladder. And it's not that he just cycles through control groups or something, he really does many little things I don't see by many other foreigners. For example, Vibe has high APM as well, but often he just repeats single commands several times, while Stephano... is just ridiculously fast.
Mutation complete.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
March 07 2012 19:19 GMT
#209
On March 08 2012 04:12 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote:
He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win.

Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV.

He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different.

What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history.



Guillaume would like to have a word with you. It's not unheard of, it's just not likely.


Grrr was before there really was a scene..... he's like pre-history..... but if he counts, great....FOREIGNERS FIGHTING! :D
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 19:23:47
March 07 2012 19:22 GMT
#210
On March 08 2012 04:16 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 04:09 dsousa wrote:
He is the most amazing player in SC2.... he plays the best music on his stream..... and as a zerg fan he is pure win.

Stephano is the best viewing experience since Seinfeld went off TV.

He could be the best player in the world..... I guess that scares people who are in BW/KR community, because he's so different.

What would it mean to the KR scene if a French WC3 player became the Bonjwa..... it hasn't happened yet... but if you've seen Stephano play enough, you know that he has that potential in him. Certainly more than any other foreign player in Starcraft history.


If he could be he would be. He isn't.

Why isn't this thread in his fan club? Or at least in the other thread of the exact same nature?


If it could be in a different thread, it would be. It isn't! :D
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
March 07 2012 19:24 GMT
#211
What's amazing to me is winning so many ZvZs when so many people have stated that it is a "coin flip" match. Thats some high level coin flipping.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
March 07 2012 19:25 GMT
#212
On March 08 2012 03:33 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 03:25 Mystgun wrote:
I have always believed that dominating ladder performance highlights a player's mechanical skills. Stephano is an extremely polished players and his builds are like clockwork which is always fun to see. Tournaments require a lot more preparation and analysis on your enemy to craft a winning strategy. SlayerS as a team is quite good at doing this and MMA executes these strategies pretty well!


Disagree, do you think MMA prepares builds for things like MLG and IEM? The GSL format is the only tournament where preparation is an absolute necessity. His MLG runs show that he is as good against randoms with no preparation as he is with the full force of his team behind him.

He most certainly does. MMA spent the last week (at least) watching foreigner replays, because he expected IEM to be difficult and is relatively inexperienced vs non-koreans. Fortunately for him he crushed through group stages and it is very unlikely that he'll have to play against a non-korean again in the tourney.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
March 07 2012 19:26 GMT
#213
no GSL, no bonjwa

but hey, he is the best foreigner, by a large margin ...
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Zealot Orgy
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom537 Posts
March 07 2012 19:31 GMT
#214
On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote:
I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvp

Ladder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea.


Stephano got ranked 7th in Korea with a 72% winrate and was the highest ranked Zerg on the KR GM server.


So yeah...Him beating easily the EU ladder shouldn't be surprising.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
March 07 2012 19:39 GMT
#215
On March 08 2012 04:26 Zeon0 wrote:
no GSL, no bonjwa

but hey, he is the best foreigner, by a large margin ...


Yup, pretty much. This is why I wish Stephano would man up and go to Korea. I feel there is a chance he's capable of doing great things. But the fact is, contrary to what I'm sure he'd like to believe, its not a guarantee he'd be winning GSLs all over the place. He might be capable and I'd love to watch him work towards it.
Mvrio
Profile Joined July 2011
689 Posts
March 07 2012 19:50 GMT
#216
On March 07 2012 18:43 USvBleakill wrote:
Losing a monobattle... he should really quit sc2 with such bad results.

that's what I'm saying, damn disgrace
On October 03 2011 Jinsho wrote: Everyone is just a speck of fly dirt on the wall compared to Greg playing at his best :D
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
March 07 2012 19:50 GMT
#217
MKP was 1st last season in Korea GM with a record of:

1 FoxeR 511 127

Now that's more impressive IMO. 80%+ win-rate with 638 games, on the hardest server.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 19:55:53
March 07 2012 19:52 GMT
#218
On March 08 2012 03:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 03:15 The_Darkness wrote:
On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote:
On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote:
On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote:
On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote:
On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote:
On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote:
[quote]

Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree

This good enough for you?

I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it!


But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena?


Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better.

And most of the tournaments really ?

IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list?

Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro


You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club.

and to
All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that


You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog.


so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask?


There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner"


haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure.

The kid wins allmost everything


Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner.


MKP lost in the qualifiers to Stephano -- he tried out and failed to make it, which speaks to the level of competition, but point taken.
IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.)

MKP wasn't at IPL3 but it was still an impressive tourney win with several top names.

Stephano is a great player. I'm not the biggest fan but a 90% win rate on EU is still impressive


MKP lost in the qualifier to Stephano at IPL 3 (and didn't qualify), but point taken.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12875 Posts
March 07 2012 19:52 GMT
#219
On March 08 2012 04:50 SniXSniPe wrote:
MKP was 1st last season in Korea GM with a record of:

1 FoxeR 511 127

Now that's more impressive IMO. 80%+ win-rate with 638 games, on the hardest server.

MarineKing has always been the best ladder player ever when he wanted to be 1st of the ladder, nothing new ^^
Some seasons ago he had 3 accounts in the top 5 GM at the end of the season
WriterMaru
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
March 07 2012 19:53 GMT
#220
i agree, it's not that impressive. KR ladder > EU+NA ladder combined
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