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But Stephano is by far the best foreigner, he has the best consistant tournament-success. Stephano's Ladder Run Round 2 (Season 6) - Page 13
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Gonn
Germany19 Posts
But Stephano is by far the best foreigner, he has the best consistant tournament-success. | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
When I play Super smash bros brawl, as Lucas, I have faced all characters and know the utility of my character to such an extent that I quickly adjust to any fight or situation in a dominating fashion. Stephano's play has been praised by day9 because it so much revolves around gas and expansions. The easiest example I can think of is the daily day9 did on stephano on shakuras plateau. Stephano got 3 bases, and then roach ling hydra pressured the toss's third while getting as many expos as possible. As soon as the third is secured by the toss, stephano takes all of his gases, gets to lategame drone saturation and techs. For this reason I imagine me playing super smash bros brawl as lucas is quite similar to stephano playing Starcraft 2 as zerg. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
Personally, I don't think anybody is the best foreigner until he goes through Code A qualifiers. Otherwise he's not better than a dwarf among midgets. | ||
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stickyhands
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. | ||
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Aunvilgod
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. If he fell off so hard and they figured him out in KR, then how did he manage to beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup towards the end of his stay? BTW: Stephano is 1-0 in the GSL vs the current champion. That's a fact :D | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. | ||
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InfusedTT.DaZe
Romania693 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. more bashing on the eu ladder, please, kr is a bit better and na is 3 times worse  | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:33 dsousa wrote: If he fell off so hard and they figured him out in KR, then how did he manage to beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup towards the end of his stay? BTW: Stephano is 1-0 in the GSL vs the current champion. That's a fact :D Lol bo1 is bo1. You didn't even acknowledge his point about Stephano's ladder winrate falling off a cliff after a week. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:33 dsousa wrote: If he fell off so hard and they figured him out in KR, then how did he manage to beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup towards the end of his stay? BTW: Stephano is 1-0 in the GSL vs the current champion. That's a fact :D Because after Bisu 3-0 Savior using the innovative Bisu build, he went on to win every single PvZ he has ever played... ... ... You missed the point. After the Koreans dissected his style, he no longer had the surprise factor. That in no way does it mean he suddenly became a bad player. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
Just fanboys and anti fans with a few rational people getting lost in between. We already know Stephano is really good, nobody comes relatively close to him in EU at his best, why does his ladder run surprise anyone? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44798 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:19 SeaSwift wrote: Congrats on your Arbiter icon DarkPlasmaBall! And I don't see why this is worth a 12 page discussion. He is probably the best foreigner, with only Huk and Naniwa really competing with him at all. Thank you  I too think that this would warrant- at most- a couple fantastic, congratulatory comments in his fanclub thread, and nothing more. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote: It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. Completely wrong. He had 70% during the first week, and he remained at this win rate untill he left korea. | ||
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c78331
Greece64 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote: ... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder. He could never in a million years do this on Korea. EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. He never dropped to 53%, the first ladder season he played he had 70%(around 200 games) and the second season when he dropped he had 63%.The fact that he stayed late to stream at better hours might have sth to do with that(bad supply blocks), but whatever talking about ladder doesnt have much value anyway. | ||
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Kahlgar
411 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote: Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you. It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances. so Bo3's are meaningless when Stephano wins but when he loses at HSC and MLG, it obivously shows that he isn't consistent enough? yeah makes a lot of sense not sure why you seem so mad nor what is your point since nobody actually pretended that Stephano is better than either hero or drg | ||
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On March 08 2012 05:41 zefreak wrote: Lol bo1 is bo1. You didn't even acknowledge his point about Stephano's ladder winrate falling off a cliff after a week. It didn't fall off the cliff. When he left he had a ~64% win rate in Season 6. What he says is completely wrong. So there's your response. | ||
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