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On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol.
Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss.
FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source
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On March 08 2012 05:33 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote:
... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder.
He could never in a million years do this on Korea.
EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. If he fell off so hard and they figured him out in KR, then how did he manage to beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup towards the end of his stay? BTW: Stephano is 1-0 in the GSL vs the current champion. That's a fact :D
Tossgirl is 1-0 against the best BW player of all time.
Does that mean anything? Maybe in a fanfic...
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On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it.
I've beaten sponnsored players before, why arenn't I sponsored? JYP beat DRG in code A a while ago, why isn't he the GSL code S champion? Idra has beaten genius in GSL before, why isn't he 2nd in GSL code S? You see where this is going? Random series don't mean anything. Stephano has not proven himself yet, and his fans act as if hes the reincarnation of jaedong christ.
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Still better than Idra :o
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On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote:On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source
Fact: Stephano is good.
Fact: Other players are good too.
Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy.
Fact: DRG does.
Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2).
This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on 
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On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote:On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on
FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me.
Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol.
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I think dsousa is trolling. And I mean the actual definition of the word, not the "you are wrong therefore you are trolling" thing stupid people have invented to try and win Internet arguments.
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Stephano just said on his stream that there is no Best Foreigner, even if he admit that Naniwa, Thorzain and him are close to the top, but it's can fluctuates at any moment and depends on the current shape.
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On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote:On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on
Ya, we can move on anytime :D
Honestly though its amusing to me that people get so riled up over the fact that other people think Stephano could be the best.
I wouldn't say he is the best, but I do think he could be and that he has a chance to become so. That's all.... and I'm sticking to it.
I'm willing to take the abuse for my opinion.... there are 50 different links on the left hand side of this page that you can post in. I happen to like this thread because I'm a huge Stephano fanboy! :D
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On March 08 2012 06:08 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote:On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me.Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol.
No, he does not, you both have undefined or infinite winrate against eachother. You really cannot count too well.
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On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote:
... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder.
He could never in a million years do this on Korea.
EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol.
You are doing the exact same thing his overzealous fans are doing. Hyperboles and inaccurate statements. Them I can understand, you are just annoying.
And just so I don't guess, WCG USA 2006 ?
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On March 08 2012 06:26 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote:
... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder.
He could never in a million years do this on Korea.
EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. You are doing the exact same thing his overzealous fans are doing. Hyperboles and inaccurate statements. Them I can understand, you are just annoying. And just so I don't guess, WCG USA 2006 ?
And it's not even true, When Stephano left Korea, he still had like 65% of winrate. He played a lot of Code A/S calibers at the end of his trip.
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On March 08 2012 06:22 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 06:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote:On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me.Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol. No, he does not, you both have undefined or infinite winrate against eachother. You really cannot count too well.
oh, really? what if i was in that monobattle where he lost? lol
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On March 08 2012 06:31 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 06:26 mcc wrote:On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote:
... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder.
He could never in a million years do this on Korea.
EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. You are doing the exact same thing his overzealous fans are doing. Hyperboles and inaccurate statements. Them I can understand, you are just annoying. And just so I don't guess, WCG USA 2006 ? And it's not even true, When Stephano left Korea, he still had like 65% of winrate. He played a lot of Code A/S calibers at the end of his trip.
65% it's also roughly his winrate vs koreans in tournaments.
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Man, after watching his stream for a bit. I can understand, he just reads his opponents so perfectly and is able to saturate 3 bases in all matchups so extremely quick O.O Truly scary thing to see. I don't like how he uses his minimap to move the camera around, alot. He could benefit from f-keys imo.
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On March 08 2012 06:31 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 06:26 mcc wrote:On March 08 2012 05:28 lastshadow wrote:
... He had 70% on korea for the first week he was there, I was there when Koreans would talk about him in customs etc, after a week they adapted to his style, and then he fell to 53%. His style is a benefit, it is not normal, it is not standard, it is however able to be broken down and dissected by the Koreans, and that is why he fell so hard after only a week on their ladder.
He could never in a million years do this on Korea.
EDIT - He's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but people are ignoring that this did happen lol. Koreans can dominate 10x harder, and ffs its the EU ladder lol. You are doing the exact same thing his overzealous fans are doing. Hyperboles and inaccurate statements. Them I can understand, you are just annoying. And just so I don't guess, WCG USA 2006 ? And it's not even true, When Stephano left Korea, he still had like 65% of winrate. He played a lot of Code A/S calibers at the end of his trip.
besides you would expect his winrate to go down as his MMR goes from mid masters to top 30 GM (regardless of how well the koreans are adapting to his style)
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Stephano plays monobattles? This. Is. Awesome.
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On March 08 2012 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 06:22 mcc wrote:On March 08 2012 06:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote:On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me.Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol. No, he does not, you both have undefined or infinite winrate against eachother. You really cannot count too well. oh, really? what if i was in that monobattle where he lost? lol
Was it 1v1 monobattle ?
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On March 07 2012 18:37 DreamOen wrote:
Such a crazy record, but I think the same could happen if Nestea/Mvp/mc, or even when huk play on EU ladder, they get records like that.I'm curious about what stephano could achieve in the korean ladder with all that beasts around.
Yeah, when Huk was at MLG winter he was laddering on NA and lost one game. He only lost that game because Sheth canceled his first gateway in a PvP. Obviously EU is harder than NA but it's still impressive nonetheless.
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On March 08 2012 06:48 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 08 2012 06:22 mcc wrote:On March 08 2012 06:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 08 2012 06:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 08 2012 06:01 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:49 Flonomenalz wrote:On March 08 2012 05:46 dsousa wrote:On March 08 2012 05:38 lastshadow wrote:
Wow he beat Hero and drg in bo1's congratulations. Wanna know Juan's record vs Forgg on ladder? 8-5. Juan > Forgg now? It's called random BoX's don't mean shit, especially when Koreans dont even wanna waste their breathe studying you.
It's sickening how much people credit Bo3's to skill, there is a reason Korean's don't hand out titles of calling someone skilled until they prove it over X months and or X Bo3's. Do you think Stephano would be able to replicate his results daily? Clearly not. We saw that in his IPL to MLG and GSL to HSC performances.
It wasn't a best of 3, it was a best of 1..... I guess it counts even less then. I'm glad to see that your SC2 knowledge is imperfect though, I was beginning to doubt Stephano from your fine arguments. Fact is.... he beat the current GSL champion on the GSL stage, if that's meaningless to you then so be it. Dude just stop. It was a best of 1. And it was ZvZ. Stop. Man, TL posters actually make me dislike players sometimes, lol. Good, the bandwagon is full. Its too late for you.... if you let my posts get in the way of recognizing Stephano's supreme talent... then it's your loss. FACT: Stephano has a 100% win rate vs GSL Champion DRG. Source Fact: Stephano is good. Fact: Other players are good too. Fact: Stephano doesn't have a GSL trophy. Fact: DRG does. Fact: 2+2=4 (except for extremely large values of 2). This is fun. This is also silly. Can we move on FACT: Stephano has a 0% win rate against me.Guess that means I am better than him. lolololol. No, he does not, you both have undefined or infinite winrate against eachother. You really cannot count too well. oh, really? what if i was in that monobattle where he lost? lol Was it 1v1 monobattle ?
does it matter if he lost and I won?
regardless, as fun as this is, my original post was only intending to show that context matters. stating something like Stephano has never lost to DRG when they only played one game is a meaningless statement.
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