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On March 08 2012 02:29 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 01:57 The_Darkness wrote:
4. Stephano is getting these results because of the skill cap on MMR. False and idiotic. There are only a handful of players with MMRs comparable to Stephano; unless they happen to be searching for a game at the time Stephano plays, they obviously will not be matched with him and so by necessity he ends up playing some masters level players and lower ranked GMs. The same thing would happen if they removed the skill cap.
Explain to me how a scrubby masters player as myself can get matched against White-Ra, HuK and other top10 GM players if not for the mmr cap? I should never be allowed to play these guys, it's a free win for them 99% of the time. I never played these kind of people before the mmr cap.
I already did. If Stephano was matched only against people with similar MMRs he'd be queueing 1/2 an hour per match. That's why he played you and that's why removing the skill cap doesn't matter.
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On March 08 2012 03:15 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote:On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote:
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Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.)
People these days really have no clue what the word troll even means. Just because you disagree with someone does not automatically make them a troll, try and understand that will you? And grats, he was in 1 tournament with 2 top koreans. He has still never done well in an MLG which has far more than just 2 top koreans almost every time.
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On March 07 2012 18:51 LimitSEA wrote:I don't know if this is actually MVP, but: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2689988/IMMvpLadder runs aren't really that impressive anywhere but on Korea.
It's not.
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On March 08 2012 03:09 BronzeKnee wrote:Well said. I want to see how Stephano does on KR. And with a 224-19 record, I'm pretty sure that the is real MVP.
No it isn't. I could go into the arguments of that account being bronze last season, the bonus pool, etc. etc., but I'll just say the most obvious shit: Do you honestly think MVP would waste 250 games on the eu server?
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I have always believed that dominating ladder performance highlights a player's mechanical skills. Stephano is an extremely polished players and his builds are like clockwork which is always fun to see. Tournaments require a lot more preparation and analysis on your enemy to craft a winning strategy. SlayerS as a team is quite good at doing this and MMA executes these strategies pretty well!
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On March 08 2012 03:18 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 03:15 The_Darkness wrote:On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote:On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote:
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Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree
This good enough for you?
I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.) People these days really have no clue what the word troll even means. Just because you disagree with someone does not automatically make them a troll, try and understand that will you? And grats, he was in 1 tournament with 2 top koreans. He has still never done well in an MLG which has far more than just 2 top koreans almost every time.
You are a troll (or a someone with a learning disability) because you're expressing an opinion that factual evidence directly contradicts and you neither recognize the apparent contradiction nor make a serious attempt to explain away the inconsistency. Stephano also won ESWC which included MKP and MC, each top 5 in their respective races. Stephano's won 90K and had, for the first time ever, the highest international Elo of all players (including Koreans); etc. If you're not a troll, seriously debate the issue.
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he does safe build mostly, and somewhat new builds! >,< such a beast
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Success breeds success I guess 
He is undoubtedly the best foreigner though so not surprised he is dominating this hard.
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On March 08 2012 03:25 Mystgun wrote:
I have always believed that dominating ladder performance highlights a player's mechanical skills. Stephano is an extremely polished players and his builds are like clockwork which is always fun to see. Tournaments require a lot more preparation and analysis on your enemy to craft a winning strategy. SlayerS as a team is quite good at doing this and MMA executes these strategies pretty well!
Disagree, do you think MMA prepares builds for things like MLG and IEM? The GSL format is the only tournament where preparation is an absolute necessity. His MLG runs show that he is as good against randoms with no preparation as he is with the full force of his team behind him.
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On March 08 2012 03:15 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:27 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:25 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:22 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:19 HyDrA_solic wrote:On March 08 2012 02:16 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 02:12 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote:On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote:On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote:
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Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro You're definitely right man. Puma and Polt definitely better than overhyped baddies like MKP and MVP. Lucky definnitely better than overhyped baddies like DRG and nestea. And no I don't have bad excuses for disliking stephano. I dislike him because of his fans that overhype him when he's just another good foreigner. He's good, just that. He's not the best foreigner, and definitely not the best zerg foreigner, or best zerg, or best player like people seem to think, If you want to blindly overhype him go to his fan club. and to All the best foreigner players was in Asus only one who was missing was Naniwa im sorry to tell you that You forgot the other foreigners like Idra and huk, who are better than basically every other foreigner that was at asus rog. so who's the best foreigner for you, may I ask? There isn't one right now. Every top foreigner has their moments of brilliance and moments of just getting owned, so far no foreigner has consistently done well enough vs other foreigners or koreans to be considered "top foreigner" haha so what do you have todo to be consistently doing well? I really want to know becuase if it isnt enough what Stephano has done the last 6months then im not sure. The kid wins allmost everything Again, he wins in the underdog tournaments. If he can win an MLG with actual good koreans there, or if he can even qualify for code A in GSL, or win any tournaments with more than just a couple koreans in it, then he can be considered a top foreigner. IPL 3 had MMA, MKP and a slew of other top Koreans. It is a "grand slam" event for the Starcraft (with far more money at stake than MLGs had at the time) and he won it. Try again, or better yet don't. (I will say that you're doing a good job trolling the forum.)
MKP wasn't at IPL3 but it was still an impressive tourney win with several top names.
Stephano is a great player. I'm not the biggest fan but a 90% win rate on EU is still impressive
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On March 08 2012 03:17 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:29 Kira__ wrote:On March 08 2012 01:57 The_Darkness wrote:
4. Stephano is getting these results because of the skill cap on MMR. False and idiotic. There are only a handful of players with MMRs comparable to Stephano; unless they happen to be searching for a game at the time Stephano plays, they obviously will not be matched with him and so by necessity he ends up playing some masters level players and lower ranked GMs. The same thing would happen if they removed the skill cap.
Explain to me how a scrubby masters player as myself can get matched against White-Ra, HuK and other top10 GM players if not for the mmr cap? I should never be allowed to play these guys, it's a free win for them 99% of the time. I never played these kind of people before the mmr cap. I already did. If Stephano was matched only against people with similar MMRs he'd be queueing 1/2 an hour per match. That's why he played you and that's why removing the skill cap doesn't matter.
But he IS getting these reults because of the mmr cap. I'd have a 90%+ winrate as well if more than half of my games were against platinum players, which is essentially whats happening here.
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On March 08 2012 03:17 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 02:29 Kira__ wrote:On March 08 2012 01:57 The_Darkness wrote:
4. Stephano is getting these results because of the skill cap on MMR. False and idiotic. There are only a handful of players with MMRs comparable to Stephano; unless they happen to be searching for a game at the time Stephano plays, they obviously will not be matched with him and so by necessity he ends up playing some masters level players and lower ranked GMs. The same thing would happen if they removed the skill cap.
Explain to me how a scrubby masters player as myself can get matched against White-Ra, HuK and other top10 GM players if not for the mmr cap? I should never be allowed to play these guys, it's a free win for them 99% of the time. I never played these kind of people before the mmr cap. I already did. If Stephano was matched only against people with similar MMRs he'd be queueing 1/2 an hour per match. That's why he played you and that's why removing the skill cap doesn't matter.
but the MMR cap does make his ladder run easier don't?
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On March 07 2012 18:37 Tump wrote:
Talented former Warcraft 3 player with lots of dedication and skill and time to practice. His practice methods work, foreigners should use him as an example to improve.
Also, EU>NA not necessarily true, especially at the very top level that Stephano plays at. Many Koreans fill the high GM League on NA. So once you get to that level (where Stephano plays at) than NA is probably harder. Obviously below that is much more European favored.
lol you think koreans dont play in EU? On NA Koreans only troll local people xDDDD
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On March 08 2012 03:47 Corsica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 18:37 Tump wrote:
Talented former Warcraft 3 player with lots of dedication and skill and time to practice. His practice methods work, foreigners should use him as an example to improve.
Also, EU>NA not necessarily true, especially at the very top level that Stephano plays at. Many Koreans fill the high GM League on NA. So once you get to that level (where Stephano plays at) than NA is probably harder. Obviously below that is much more European favored. lol you think koreans dont play in EU? On NA Koreans only troll local people xDDDD
The Kr-Eu lag is formidable.
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When you're better than every single other person on the server by the margin that Stephano is, not too surprising. I really wish he'd man up and stay in Korea longer. He's completely outgrown the EU server.
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I've been watching him every time he streams, he is ridiculously good.
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On March 08 2012 03:09 BronzeKnee wrote:Well said. I want to see how Stephano does on KR. And with a 224-19 record, I'm pretty sure that the is real MVP.
nope its not mvp, its a mongrel who is master and by the end of the last season demoted himself deep deep down the bronze league
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On March 08 2012 03:09 BronzeKnee wrote:Well said. I want to see how Stephano does on KR. And with a 224-19 record, I'm pretty sure that the is real MVP.
can't believe ppl still believe that was MVP.
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That can't be the real Mvp because he has trouble with REAL practice due to wrist pain, he certainly wouldn't cause himself any more discomfort playing on EU, at least not any more.
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