EPTthis kid is incredible
Stephano's Ladder Run Round 2 (Season 6) - Page 7
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Tiazi
Netherlands761 Posts
this kid is incredible | ||
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mrlie3
Canada350 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:39 ddrddrddrddr wrote: I watch his stream and I would be very interested in knowing how he would do on the korean ladder, where cheese is much more common. Europeans seem to be much more focused on macro oriented play which is nice but it makes it difficult for cross server comparison. He was in Korea for couple months before, and he was 70%+ rank 30+ GM there. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
Stephano is a beast | ||
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paddyz
Ireland628 Posts
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Adventurekid
Sweden505 Posts
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Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! | ||
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aXel92
72 Posts
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
1. No pro takes the ladder seriously. True and False. Progamers know no money is on the line and many are practicing specific builds, strategies, etc. but a progamer is a competitor and competitors want to win, just like I, and likely you, want to win when we're playing on the ladder even though nothing at all is at stake other than the good feelings that come with achieving something you set out to accomplish. Also, if ladder were completely meaningless (including from a psychological standpoint), you wouldn't see BM from gamers like Idra, Nerchio, Lalush, etc. BM preserves your ego, which wouldn't need preserving if playing on ladder were meaningless. 2. Most pros don't practice on ladder. False. Every single high level pro has a ladder account and most have several. Most practice with the best practice partners they can find but all pros practice at least sometimes on the ladder. This isn't to say it's their primary mode of practice since the caliber of play on the ladder, if you're a top pro, isn't high enough to improve (unless you're Stephano and you're simply a genius at the game). 3. Ladder results are meaningless / have no bearing on tournament / league results. Obviously false. 3 of the top 5 foreigners in terms of Elo are beasts on the ladder (Nerchio, Stephano and Happy). MKP has completely owned the KR server and has posted very good GSL results and even better nonGSL results, in foreign tournaments and Korean tournaments. DRG was the top rated zerg in win % in season 5 and he's probably the best player in the world at the moment. Nestea, in contrast, has posted good but not exceptional ladder results (around a 60% win rate typically) and his nonGSL results seem relatively in line with that ladder ranking. Ladder probably correlates less well with GSL results, since, unlike on the ladder, at the GSL you may have several weeks to prepare for a single opponent. Nevertheless, MVP, MMA, Alive, etc. all do very well on ladder and I'm not aware of anyone who has enjoyed success in the GSL while maintaining around a 50% win rate on the KR server (which is the win rate most good foreigners not named Stephano seem to achieve). Foreign tournaments / nonGSL tournaments are typically much closer in format to the ladder because you don't know who your opponent will be far in advance and at many tournaments the loser chooses the next map so you can't even be sure precisely which maps you'll play on. 4. Stephano is getting these results because of the skill cap on MMR. False and idiotic. There are only a handful of players with MMRs comparable to Stephano; unless they happen to be searching for a game at the time Stephano plays, they obviously will not be matched with him and so by necessity he ends up playing some masters level players and lower ranked GMs. The same thing would happen if they removed the skill cap. 5. If the top KRs played in EU they would win at least as often as Stephano. Perhaps true, at least if by "top KRs" we mean MMA, MVP, MKP, Alive and DRG. Those guys are the best in KR (and in the world) and thus they should own face just like Stephano on the EU server. But that is a very small, very select group of players. If having a 90% win rate on the EU server means you're generally regarded as one of a select few players on the planet who could achieve such results, then having a 90% win rate on the ladder means something. | ||
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:43 USvBleakill wrote: Losing a monobattle... he should really quit sc2 with such bad results. 113 to 12 is a impressive run no matter how bad or good EU ladder is. btw who is kingler? some korean protoss smurf? Its MaNa  | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Maybe, just maybe Stephano will continue playing SC2 beyond this academic year and not go to continue his studying. I hope he does, Stephano is good for the Foreign SC2 scene. | ||
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:53 Benjamin80 wrote: Or his IPL 3 victory, ESWC victory. 2nd place Assemply, 3rd place Assemply. IPL 4 UK qualifier. eOSL Winter 2012, winning 90% of all online tournaments atm 72% on the korean GM ladder rank 7. And a partridge in a pear tree This good enough for you? I get it man, but if you dont like the kid just say it out loud, no need to hide it! But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On March 07 2012 20:25 Mesha wrote: If Stephano could get to practice with at least one or more great Korean Top player for each race, instead of ladder, i am not sure what the hell next level of his play would be? Best player ever?? He is trully SC2 monster. It looks soo fucking easy when he plays. His play is almost perfect... He would certainly be the next bonjwa. No doubt. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10991 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Wasn't MLG Winter Arena that tourney where nearly every good EU foreigner was at Asus Rog? | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:03 chosenkerrigan wrote: He would certainly be the next bonjwa. No doubt. Don't kid yourself. He already is... + Show Spoiler + this is sarcasm | ||
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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
On March 07 2012 18:38 ZenithM wrote: BUT HE LOST A FUCKING MONOBATTLE, WHAT A NAB I laughed a good 2 minutes. | ||
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fighter2_40
United States420 Posts
On March 07 2012 19:20 mnck wrote: MMR cap causes this... My friend who is high masters is matched with teams even against Stephano. If you're teams even with number 1 GM while you're maybe only number 100 in masters in EU, then something with the ladder seems flawed by design in my eyes. Basically anyone in high masters and grandmasters are MMR capped to the point where they are slightly favored against each other. It's a silly system that makes ladder bad for players of Stephano's caliber... He was even saying in his own stream chat that it was really boring to play ladder when he could beat everyone he met with little effort. Fast teching to hive while completely annihilating funkay with only lings. – Just to give an example of what happened on his stream yesterday. Blizzard need to reconsider having a MMR cap on the ladder. It really seems to have a bad influence on the ladder in the very top. If you're grandmasters or near the top of masters, then you will most likely face Stephano on the ladder, and he will beat you. It's not matching skill anymore at this point. TLDR; MMR cap means Stephano is playing terrible players who are also MMR capped. But without the mmr cap stephano would actually just not find enough matches. Would you rather que up on ladder for half an hour or actually just play people who are worse. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:04 Velr wrote: Wasn't MLG Winter Arena that tourney where nearly every good EU foreigner was at Asus Rog? didn't pay attention to eu players. But it was the tourney with MKP, MVP, nestea, naniwa, idra, huk, DRG, etc.. AKA the best players. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:17 hunts wrote: Really? Because I remember a time when Idra was over 90% win rate on NA ladder before the MMR cap made it easy to do so, and with many more games than stephano and people still called him bad. And really there isn't much to take away from stephanos run here because it's just that, ladder. If you really want to praise him, bring up his tournament runnings. Maybe his blizzard cup run or something? Haha, Idra never reachs the Korean GM where Stephano did top 10 with 70% winrate. Please look at the results of both before saying these terrible statments haha. | ||
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Benjamin80
581 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:01 hunts wrote: But you do realize most of the tournaments he did well in were at the same time as bigger and better tournaments, which means they had very little competition, right? Like Asus rog, when almost every good player was at MLG winter arena? Yea only the best foreigners was there except Naniwa together with Puma and Polt andLucky . Just becuase you are overhyped and played in MLG winter arena doesnt mean you better. And most of the tournaments really ? IPL 3, ESWC and IPL 4 UK qualifier did you see the player list? Man now you just finding bad excuses and hating come on bro | ||
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