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Please DISCUSS the changes and the impact they will have on gameplay.

Straight up whining and bitching will get you a ban, no exceptions.
jupiter6
Profile Joined December 2011
205 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 17:34:39
February 10 2012 17:34 GMT
#201
buhahaha there will be barely any terran players on ladder in diamond++ soon (even now you see them rarely)
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
February 10 2012 17:34 GMT
#202
^^ I wish people would realize Ghosts are not the problem. It's zerg insisting on making T3 units vs mass ghost, when ghost is an excellent counter to what? T3 units.

Tech switch more zergs, you are the only race of the three who can max out on an entirely different unit composition in the matter of seconds. 3-3 ling/bling vs massghost, m&m and a couple of tanks? It's not even close.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
February 10 2012 17:34 GMT
#203
On February 11 2012 02:16 Roe wrote:
i dont get the phoenix change. phoenixes were always better against mutas if you had micro, and they could always outrange them anyways. now it'll just be a bit easier. with the ghost change zerg is gonna have such a huge advantage lategame...i'm not even sure what terran will be able to do.

silver league talking at it's best, have you actually ever tried microing phoenixes against a good muta user?
Bensio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom621 Posts
February 10 2012 17:34 GMT
#204
When is this patch coming?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
February 10 2012 17:34 GMT
#205
Interested to see what pro Terrans do vs lategame Zerg now. With the exception of MVP there's very few who really seem to dominate with lategame ghostplay, most seem to only break even. Phoenix range buff is cool, love seeing phoenix play and this will make skytoss more frequent at least vZ.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
February 10 2012 17:34 GMT
#206
Thank fuck i never went mutas PvZ :D!
sAviOr...
Recoil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States276 Posts
February 10 2012 17:35 GMT
#207
On February 11 2012 02:31 antilyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 02:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 11 2012 02:24 Stiluz wrote:
Yey, a good balance patch! Ghosts still viable lategame vs Zerg, but does not destroy both BL and Ultras as fast as before. Protoss gets a bit more efficient for dealing with Mutas. Everybody's happy now :D


I agree. Ghosts will still be far from useless. EMP is still very important, despite the nerf it got. Snipe will still be vital, despite the nerf it's getting now too.

I just think that now, Terran will need to be a bit more selective on what to snipe in an army, instead of "fuck it, everything!" ^^

Give me 1 reason to make ghosts instead of vikings against BL now.
The only reason to make ghosts in TvZ now is EMP for infestors. And it will be 2 or 4 max.


Snipe is not being removed.
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
February 10 2012 17:35 GMT
#208
On February 11 2012 02:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 02:21 theBALLS wrote:
PvP Phoenix vs Phoenix

First to get upgrade wins


Doesn't blink stalker still beat it? Or are you assuming that both players randomly go phoenix (which would be kinda cool ^^).

happens quite often (at least for me)

thats gonna suck
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
February 10 2012 17:35 GMT
#209
On February 11 2012 02:28 stratmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 02:25 jmack wrote:
All of these look like good changes.

Especially CPM ( how did that take this long? ) thank you for this one blizzard.

Terrans I know you might be mad but you have to admit Ghost v Z were pretty good.

Does any one wonder why they made it a range upgrade at the beacon instead of just a straight buff? Having to get the beacon /whine.


Yeah and you gotta admit that broodlord/corrupter/infestor vs t is pretty good, even if they have ghosts. Terran already has to stop microing jus about everything to even pull snipes off and i cant even count how many times i just got rolled anyways with 10+ ghosts. Sorry Im not IMMVP n shit.



Not sure why you use the argument that because you're not of MVP's level, you're gonna have a harder time winning, is your opponent DRG/Nestea/Leenock? No, then why are you worrying about level of play you'll never face? Blind balance whining is fail man.
Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
February 10 2012 17:35 GMT
#210
Wow Blizzard is actually releasing a good patch? That balances the game?

This is a first...
4 Corners in a day.
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
February 10 2012 17:36 GMT
#211
toss didnt need a buff vs zerg.
Fede
Profile Joined January 2011
Uruguay114 Posts
February 10 2012 17:36 GMT
#212
300/200 fleet beacon plus whatever the phoenix upgrade costs is too damn high for this to be an efective response to mutas.
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 17:38:58
February 10 2012 17:37 GMT
#213
The Terran entitlement feeling ITT is disgusting. Sorry you can't just mass a single unit anymore and win every non-mirror matchup.


This is probably the best patch to date. I think my preferred nerf of Snipe would have been to keep the damage, but install a cooldown (no more than 5s) so you can't spam it like you can now. But this way was a close second. The range upgrade for Phoenixes should be an interesting one. I don't like that it makes phoenix micro absurdly easy now vs mutas, but we'll see. I'm not really sure about the MULE thing, but again, I guess we'll see. I'm not necessarily for the complete removal of gold bases because I love the concept, but it was just executed so poorly that it looks awful.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
February 10 2012 17:37 GMT
#214
The phoenix upgrade is smart: it means there is still a timing window for a small group of mutas to do exactly what zerg wants: buy map control, do some harass, and allow some expansions, but it means that a protoss responding with phoenix won't be doomed to let the muta ball snowball out of control, by making the theoretical micro actually managable.

We might see phoenix in PvT again too.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
February 10 2012 17:37 GMT
#215
Wow, Blizzard is just raising the bar on everything. I'm starting to feel like LotV might turn out to be the single greatest competitive Esport of all time, if they continue improving at this rate.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 10 2012 17:37 GMT
#216
Is the fleetbeacon idea good at all? It sounds like a great upgrade for Protoss, but isn't the fleet beacon a huge investment?
I don't know, someone tell me.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
February 10 2012 17:37 GMT
#217
Wow love this patch, games is getting more and more balanced
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
February 10 2012 17:37 GMT
#218
I really like these changes! Looking forward to the release of the patch.
paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
February 10 2012 17:37 GMT
#219
woaahhh I love these new changes. I dunno about the phoenix range up being on the Fleet Beacon tho. That thing costs 200 gas D:
CyDe
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1010 Posts
February 10 2012 17:37 GMT
#220
Nice! This really addresses many of the concerns that people have regarding balance. Although, this really hurts to see as a terran player =/

I don't really know what to do vs BLs now, although I didn't really know anyway. I AM SO HAPPY ABOUT THE MULE CHANGE. I really hope it'll stop some of the bitching I hear, and it won't affect me at all, since I can't macro to the MULEs@gold level.

Actually, now that I think about it, I don't really know what role snipe will take now. Are infestors psionic? Ooooh, HTs are pisonic, I think. Hm. Maybe, I don't know how I feel about this change. I guess ghosts are really taking a beating in regards to balance.

GOGO Blizzard!
youtube.com/GamingCyDe-- My totally abandoned youtube channel that I might revisit at some point
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