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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:38 magnaflow wrote: I feel that 1 more small change could make this perfect. Make fungal slow units, not trap them in place. If anything, infestors should be buffed. infestors are pretty bad | ||
Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:37 Torte de Lini wrote: Is the fleetbeacon idea good at all? It sounds like a great upgrade for Protoss, but isn't the fleet beacon a huge investment? I don't know, someone tell me. Well when you think about it, it's not a bigger investment than a templar archives, storm and templar, so i guess it's ok. The nice thing is that it's easier to achieve on 2 bases than storm tech with a good blink stalker count. | ||
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WickedSkies
Netherlands81 Posts
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Linz
Belgium151 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:34 dignitas.merz wrote: ^^ I wish people would realize Ghosts are not the problem. It's zerg insisting on making T3 units vs mass ghost, when ghost is an excellent counter to what? T3 units. Tech switch more zergs, you are the only race of the three who can max out on an entirely different unit composition in the matter of seconds. 3-3 ling/bling vs massghost, m&m and a couple of tanks? It's not even close. I kinda agree, but what should we switch to? It's not like you have 0 tanks in the lategame, and Ghosts do +dmg to Light units... | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
For the record Terrans that are complaining, Zerg T3 is supposed to be imposing. It's Zerg Tier 3. You let us get that far, and you're supposed to have to scramble. It's not my fault you didn't kill me before 20 minutes. I shouldn't be melted by Ghosts because of it. I just overall really like the patch. An attempt at fixing TvZ's muta shenanigans, a weird buff/nerf for Terran/Zerg/Protoss with the snipe buff/nerf, and MULEs only extra mining from regular minerals? And when you combine the addition of community tournament maps to the map pool (both of which were included in the TL Map Contest, just sayin') people should really stop bitching about Blizzard not listening to us. They let some things fall through the cracks, but this Patch is testament to the fact that they know what we're saying. It's just that what we bitch about isn't necessarily reasonable/intelligent half the time. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:40 Papulatus wrote: If anything, infestors should be buffed. infestors are pretty bad Best caster in the game is pretty bad. | ||
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Hamster
United Kingdom156 Posts
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deadmau
960 Posts
2. I believe ghost nerf is just too severe, I think they needed a nerf but this much damage may be pushing it, but I don't know this for sure. 3. Mules, anyone think this is bad change? lol | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:09 Barkziee wrote: I approve of these changes. But I feel like the phoenix change wont make much difference. ARE YOU KIDDING? 1pheonix with gosu micro > INFINITE Muta. Phoenix can shoot while moving, and are faster than mutalisks. with the patch, phoenix will have TWICE the range of mutalisks. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:34 Josh_rakoons wrote: silver league talking at it's best, have you actually ever tried microing phoenixes against a good muta user? um..what? are you sure you read my post? | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Since they made the range 6, which is equal to a corruptor, the corruptor is slow, so your mutalisks will have to move at the speed of the corruptors, for fear of getting ahead. If they get ahead, Phoenixes will get free hits on the mutalisks, and the corruptors will NEVER be able to hit the Phoenixes, because they can run away before the slow corruptors get in range. Range of 6 is too much. The idea in principle is fine, but 6 range is too much because of the range of the corruptor. This makes Phoenix now hard counter mutalisks with the upgrade AND still counter muta + corruptor. What are corruptors supposed to be useful for? Anti air. Now they will only be viable against colossi, since they get destroyed by voidrays, and phoenixes can hit and flee targets before the corruptors get in range, unless you limite the mutalisks to the speed of the corruptors, which is impossible. Increase phoenix range, fine. But don't make it equal to corruptors. | ||
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archangel967
Canada111 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:39 PaterPatriae wrote: what about the new (mass) raven late game O.O HSM is pretty sick. Oh wait terran never discovered the raven  Bam. My point exactly. It won't just be the same old "oh, z is going hive? buildghostsloliwin". Can't wait for this to hit. | ||
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Phays
Sweden162 Posts
I really don't like snipe changes though, zerg tech switches will be just like TvP tech switches and possibly even more powerfull, does blizzard actually want terrans to cheese or atleast win before 16min? One fungal growth, A-move corruptors, win. | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
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MisterTea
United Kingdom1047 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:40 Papulatus wrote: If anything, infestors should be buffed. infestors are pretty bad Stop trolling bro. | ||
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Avril_Lavigne
United States446 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:40 Thorzain wrote: I really feel that they overdid the snipe nerf. Ghosts really isn't a counter to ultralisks (300 energy to kill 1 ultralisk), and not a hard-counter to brood lords (they are good against them but not imba). I feel that 20 damage is too much of a removal. When snipe doesn't even one shot a baneling or a zergling, something is wrong. Will be useless against zealots as well because the normal attack is just as strong as the snipe will be against light units. this is quite true. isn't the ghost attack 20 vs light? and snipe is 25 damage? LOL?? | ||
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CyDe
United States1010 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:38 magnaflow wrote: I feel that 1 more small change could make this perfect. Make fungal slow units, not trap them in place. THIS. I've always thought this, even if it the movement speed is reduced INSANELY, but just make it possible, to move, at least a little. Definitely for air units, anyway. | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:40 Papulatus wrote: If anything, infestors should be buffed. infestors are pretty bad I hope you are being sarcastic. | ||
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Kvz
United States463 Posts
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: 1. For the possible tech switch, and because it's still not bad against them. 2. Because you can afford to build both ghosts and vikings? I play Protoss, so don't talk to me about spending gas. Heck, Terran is the least gas-dependent race in the game. 3. Because ghosts are still all-around good. Zerg rarely has *only* broodlords. Ghosts are very good against multiple units. 4. So what if you don't build a ghost in a game? That doesn't mean they're useless. If you're assuming that you should be able to build any unit you want and it should be useful against any unit composition your opponent has, you've been spoiled for too long by your race. I can afford to make both, but why bother?If I try to hit 19 snipes to kill one single BL, by that time my marines would be all dead if the zerg attacks at the same time. Did you realize a marauder shot does more damage than a snipe now? | ||
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