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hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
February 02 2012 09:07 GMT
#21
Lol international ZvP close to 60-40. Korean ZvP more or less a reversal from last month.
Buddhabig
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark72 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 09:12:21
February 02 2012 09:07 GMT
#22
Now i see why im suddenly having TvZ problems :D
I just can't beat them anymore. I don't think they are overpowered. But the infestor ling style is just extremly popular atm.
"Girls like bad boys. Thats why you have so many." Kas to Naniwa! The shit i waste my time on now: https://osu.ppy.sh/u/2114273
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
February 02 2012 09:09 GMT
#23
Haha, Protoss getting a slightly better winrate in PvT in Korea than Terran. Quite cool to see after months of Terran dominance lol.

Neat stuff, these graphs are. I personally don't take them too seriously, since in the end, the game should be balanced by metagame shifts and map pools.
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Lothargr
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece32 Posts
February 02 2012 09:10 GMT
#24
Yep, TvZ and TvP look pretty good and ZvP heavily zerg favored. Sounds about right based on what we've seen.
Nocteo
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium799 Posts
February 02 2012 09:10 GMT
#25
On February 02 2012 17:56 isleyofthenorth wrote:
lol zvt has been in negative for zerg 12 CONSECUTIVE months


It has been near 50% aswell. Difference isn't that big.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
February 02 2012 09:13 GMT
#26
There are very few foreign protoss that actually have potential. PvZ outside of Korea is unwatchable.

On the other hand foreigners are most known for their zergs, so .... yeah.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
jliu
Profile Joined March 2011
282 Posts
February 02 2012 09:13 GMT
#27
On February 02 2012 18:10 Nocteo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 17:56 isleyofthenorth wrote:
lol zvt has been in negative for zerg 12 CONSECUTIVE months


It has been near 50% aswell. Difference isn't that big.


Also most recently (January) both winrates agree within error. It's essentially not a significant difference at all.
(unless my high school stats is failing me)
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
February 02 2012 09:19 GMT
#28
Korean Zergs never upgrade that's why the ZvP is balanced there. Meanwhile foreign zergs have realised that upgrades are insane for Ling based armies and expand more agressively. Not to mention foreign protoss seem to neglect the warp prism again.
#freeshauni
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 09:24:01
February 02 2012 09:22 GMT
#29
On February 02 2012 17:56 TrickyGilligan wrote:
Lol not sure what happened to the international Protoss. Considering Korea isn't even close to similar though, going to have to assume it's a fluke.


International tosses aren't that great is why the difference is so big there compared to kr. Also the fact that this counts every tournament (unless I am mistaken?) it will have games of the no name bad toss in there as well for international while Kr has only GSL/GSTL really which are all good players.

but its weird whenever i watch a zerg they always lose zvp's I watch so I haven't learned much T_T.

On February 02 2012 18:19 Elem wrote:
Korean Zergs never upgrade that's why the ZvP is balanced there. Meanwhile foreign zergs have realised that upgrades are insane for Ling based armies and expand more agressively. Not to mention foreign protoss seem to neglect the warp prism again.


lol thats the best you can come up with for the like 50% zvp in kr?
When I think of something else, something will go here
Xaeldaren
Profile Joined June 2010
Ireland588 Posts
February 02 2012 09:22 GMT
#30
Look guys, Zerg doesn't beat Protoss. They just don't.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 09:26:16
February 02 2012 09:25 GMT
#31
On February 02 2012 18:22 blade55555 wrote:


lol thats the best you can come up with for the like 50% zvp in kr?
No, but it contributes a lot. To believe that those were only reasons would be ridiculous. I'm sorry if you took it literally.
#freeshauni
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 09:28:29
February 02 2012 09:27 GMT
#32
On February 02 2012 18:25 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 18:22 blade55555 wrote:


lol thats the best you can come up with for the like 50% zvp in kr?
No, but it contributes a lot. To believe that those were only reasons would be ridiculous. I'm sorry if you took it literally.


From the average user on TL I wouldn't have been surprised if you were serious. Hard to see sarcasm in text ^^.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
February 02 2012 09:28 GMT
#33
On February 02 2012 18:27 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 18:25 Elem wrote:
On February 02 2012 18:22 blade55555 wrote:


lol thats the best you can come up with for the like 50% zvp in kr?
No, but it contributes a lot. To believe that those were only reasons would be ridiculous. I'm sorry if you took it literally.


From the average user on TL I wouldn't have been surprised if you were serious. Hard to see sarcasm in text ^^.
Mistaking me for the average TL'er? I'm hurt.
#freeshauni
Origine
Profile Joined January 2010
France167 Posts
February 02 2012 09:31 GMT
#34
Look guys, Terran doesn't beat Protoss. They just don't. Oh crap, that's just me....... ;(
https://twitter.com/thomAufresne
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
February 02 2012 09:33 GMT
#35
Can someone shed light on the ZvP metagame? What changed?
Thank God and gunrun.
bartus88
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 09:35:57
February 02 2012 09:34 GMT
#36
Zerg has a winrate of 55%+ in ZvP in both regions, and IdrA still claims Protoss is overpowered.

I wonder if he will ever realise it's his personal mindset that makes him lose, not imbalance. My guess is no.
Random master race
Xaeldaren
Profile Joined June 2010
Ireland588 Posts
February 02 2012 09:39 GMT
#37
On February 02 2012 18:33 Primadog wrote:
Can someone shed light on the ZvP metagame? What changed?


Mutalisks.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 09:44:27
February 02 2012 09:41 GMT
#38
In b4 Idra's "zerg doesn't win against protoss".

But from my casual observation, korean protosses are probably getting dominated less in pvz because they go allin more often on 2 bases and foreign protosses foolishly believe they can stand toe to toe against BL/infestor/spine with their mothership/archon armies. 2 base allins also play better vs mutalisks pretty much every time. Not sure about pvt though, seems like in the korean metagame tosses are able to get away with 14 nexus and fast 3rd builds way more often. Internationally it seems like terrans are more willing to commit to big pressure builds and shut down early protoss greed.


Personally I think pvz is really fun to play and watch right now and it feels way less imbalanced than it did around May/June, but obviously the stats disagree with me.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
Pinna
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland152 Posts
February 02 2012 09:44 GMT
#39
Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good.

Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far.
School..
Mirosuu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
England283 Posts
February 02 2012 09:46 GMT
#40
Korea Protoss looks so different to International Protoss because they actually have learned how to defend against Mutas now. They've been a part of the metagame for so long in Korea so they've adapted, but in the International scene, it's only just started to become popular. Nothing else to it really.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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