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KAmaKAsa
Finland210 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:44 Pinna wrote: Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good. Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far. On February 02 2012 18:46 Mirosuu wrote: Korea Protoss looks so different to International Protoss because they actually have learned how to defend against Mutas now. They've been a part of the metagame for so long in Korea so they've adapted, but in the International scene, it's only just started to become popular. Nothing else to it really. On February 02 2012 18:48 vizir wrote: Nothing wrong with ZvP. Mutalisk play is just too easy to execute compared to how hard it is to counter as P. Korean Ps are just so sickly good that muta isn't problem for them hence the balance. You do realize the pvz winrates between KR and international are 3% apart right? Those gosu korean protosses are still getting pretty overwhelmed in pvz. | ||
vizir
Finland154 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
![]() It's okay. We'll show them what's up! Still, I need to learn how to better deal with muta play and Roach spam. Such a pain in the ass ![]() You do realize the pvz winrates between KR and international are 3% apart right? Yeah, there's a big tvp gap, but those gosu korean protosses are still getting pretty overwhelmed in pvz. Z nerf inc? :S | ||
Sabu113
United States11035 Posts
Foreign ZvP can probably be explained by the recent tournament result. ZvP is going to devolve into more nad more wierd 2base timings unless there's more map tinkering. Nothing about this was unpredictable. | ||
Megaman_X
United States164 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:47 KAmaKAsa wrote: hey protosses, i think zergs know how to hold your 7 gate +2 blink stalker all ins... not saying idra knows it... but most people do losira doesnt | ||
SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:34 bartus88 wrote: Zerg has a winrate of 55%+ in ZvP in both regions, and IdrA still claims Protoss is overpowered. I wonder if he will ever realise it's his personal mindset that makes him lose, not imbalance. My guess is no. When will forumfools realize that these stats have nothing to do with the highest level of competition? | ||
eighteen8
105 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:48 vizir wrote: Nothing wrong with ZvP. Mutalisk play is just too easy to execute compared to how hard it is to counter as P. Korean Ps are just so sickly good that muta isn't problem for them hence the balance. exactly...that is why it is hard to compare these numbers with the casual matchup-situation. | ||
Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:51 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Protoss. We are oppressed ![]() It's okay. We'll show them what's up! Still, I need to learn how to better deal with muta play and Roach spam. Such a pain in the ass ![]() Z nerf inc? :S doubt it, gonna have to wait another year until HOTS. They want to use the muta problem as an excuse to add a new unit instead of just fixing it with a balance patch. PvZ is still fun as shit though! | ||
Dbla08
United States211 Posts
Fuck yeah this fucking proves two things zerg is the easiest race to play and the game is pretty balance. lol didn't take long for the first idiot to chime in. good to see everything becoming very very close in korea, foreign protoss need to learn how to go beyond 2 base and they'll see the winrates go up | ||
nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:44 Pinna wrote: Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good. Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far. Many successful protosses 2 base against zergs. Also did you just say Grubby have reached his skill ceiling? | ||
HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:55 Dbla08 wrote: lol didn't take long for the first idiot to chime in. good to see everything becoming very very close in korea, foreign protoss need to learn how to go beyond 2 base and they'll see the winrates go up No, they/we need to learn to defend vs mutas beyond 2 bases, any other Zerg build is fine imo | ||
Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:56 nam nam wrote: Many successful protosses 2 base against zergs. Also did you just say Grubby have reached his skill ceiling? Not only that, but I think if you took a look at each individual game, you would find that the games where protoss wins were 2 base timing pushes and the games they lost the zerg eventually got to 4 bases. | ||
xrapture
United States1644 Posts
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pepsimaxibon
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
and zvp is in favor in zerg both international and korea | ||
osmanic
Germany200 Posts
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:55 SafeAsCheese wrote: When will forumfools realize that these stats have nothing to do with the highest level of competition? u know these stats are only from the highest level play? TLPD(TeamLiquidPROgamingdatabase) just look at korea stats, there u have your super highest level play | ||
JJH777
United States4376 Posts
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
... NOT At least PvT in Korea looks better. I like the way people do these statistics, nice job ![]() | ||
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