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KAmaKAsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland210 Posts
February 02 2012 09:47 GMT
#41
hey protosses, i think zergs know how to hold your 7 gate +2 blink stalker all ins... not saying idra knows it... but most people do
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 09:53:31
February 02 2012 09:48 GMT
#42
On February 02 2012 18:44 Pinna wrote:
Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good.

Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far.


On February 02 2012 18:46 Mirosuu wrote:
Korea Protoss looks so different to International Protoss because they actually have learned how to defend against Mutas now. They've been a part of the metagame for so long in Korea so they've adapted, but in the International scene, it's only just started to become popular. Nothing else to it really.


On February 02 2012 18:48 vizir wrote:
Nothing wrong with ZvP. Mutalisk play is just too easy to execute compared to how hard it is to counter as P. Korean Ps are just so sickly good that muta isn't problem for them hence the balance.



You do realize the pvz winrates between KR and international are 3% apart right? Those gosu korean protosses are still getting pretty overwhelmed in pvz.

Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
vizir
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland154 Posts
February 02 2012 09:48 GMT
#43
Nothing wrong with ZvP. Mutalisk play is just too easy to execute compared to how hard it is to counter as P. Korean Ps are just so sickly good that muta isn't problem for them hence the balance.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 09:53:09
February 02 2012 09:51 GMT
#44
Protoss. We are oppressed (.

It's okay. We'll show them what's up!

Still, I need to learn how to better deal with muta play and Roach spam. Such a pain in the ass .

You do realize the pvz winrates between KR and international are 3% apart right? Yeah, there's a big tvp gap, but those gosu korean protosses are still getting pretty overwhelmed in pvz.

Z nerf inc? :S
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 09:57:07
February 02 2012 09:51 GMT
#45
ZvP as expected. PvT surprising me, guess Ts are still rusty. Think we should see it flop back into T favor in the coming months.

Foreign ZvP can probably be explained by the recent tournament result.

ZvP is going to devolve into more nad more wierd 2base timings unless there's more map tinkering. Nothing about this was unpredictable.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Megaman_X
Profile Joined October 2011
United States164 Posts
February 02 2012 09:53 GMT
#46
On February 02 2012 18:47 KAmaKAsa wrote:
hey protosses, i think zergs know how to hold your 7 gate +2 blink stalker all ins... not saying idra knows it... but most people do

losira doesnt
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
February 02 2012 09:55 GMT
#47
On February 02 2012 18:34 bartus88 wrote:
Zerg has a winrate of 55%+ in ZvP in both regions, and IdrA still claims Protoss is overpowered.

I wonder if he will ever realise it's his personal mindset that makes him lose, not imbalance. My guess is no.



When will forumfools realize that these stats have nothing to do with the highest level of competition?

eighteen8
Profile Joined December 2010
105 Posts
February 02 2012 09:55 GMT
#48
On February 02 2012 18:48 vizir wrote:
Nothing wrong with ZvP. Mutalisk play is just too easy to execute compared to how hard it is to counter as P. Korean Ps are just so sickly good that muta isn't problem for them hence the balance.


exactly...that is why it is hard to compare these numbers with the casual matchup-situation.

Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
February 02 2012 09:55 GMT
#49
On February 02 2012 18:51 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Protoss. We are oppressed (.

It's okay. We'll show them what's up!

Still, I need to learn how to better deal with muta play and Roach spam. Such a pain in the ass .

Show nested quote +
You do realize the pvz winrates between KR and international are 3% apart right? Yeah, there's a big tvp gap, but those gosu korean protosses are still getting pretty overwhelmed in pvz.

Z nerf inc? :S



doubt it, gonna have to wait another year until HOTS. They want to use the muta problem as an excuse to add a new unit instead of just fixing it with a balance patch.

PvZ is still fun as shit though!
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
Dbla08
Profile Joined March 2011
United States211 Posts
February 02 2012 09:55 GMT
#50
Fuck yeah this fucking proves two things zerg is the easiest race to play and the game is pretty balance.


lol didn't take long for the first idiot to chime in.


good to see everything becoming very very close in korea, foreign protoss need to learn how to go beyond 2 base and they'll see the winrates go up
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
February 02 2012 09:56 GMT
#51
On February 02 2012 18:44 Pinna wrote:
Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good.

Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far.

Many successful protosses 2 base against zergs. Also did you just say Grubby have reached his skill ceiling?
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 02 2012 09:58 GMT
#52
On February 02 2012 18:55 Dbla08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Fuck yeah this fucking proves two things zerg is the easiest race to play and the game is pretty balance.


lol didn't take long for the first idiot to chime in.


good to see everything becoming very very close in korea, foreign protoss need to learn how to go beyond 2 base and they'll see the winrates go up

No, they/we need to learn to defend vs mutas beyond 2 bases, any other Zerg build is fine imo
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
February 02 2012 10:02 GMT
#53
On February 02 2012 18:56 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 18:44 Pinna wrote:
Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good.

Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far.

Many successful protosses 2 base against zergs. Also did you just say Grubby have reached his skill ceiling?



Not only that, but I think if you took a look at each individual game, you would find that the games where protoss wins were 2 base timing pushes and the games they lost the zerg eventually got to 4 bases.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
February 02 2012 10:10 GMT
#54
Hrm, interesting. I haven't played in a couple months because watching Terran get nerfed every patch because of Koreans was starting to get disheartening, but maybe now there will be less whining and I can actually play the game without being told how op my race is every 5 minutes.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
pepsimaxibon
Profile Joined March 2011
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 15:34:54
February 02 2012 10:11 GMT
#55
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
February 02 2012 10:11 GMT
#56
idra:"protoss is unbeatable"

and zvp is in favor in zerg both international and korea
yo
osmanic
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany200 Posts
February 02 2012 10:12 GMT
#57
protoss hope dies slowly
twitch.tv/manicx90 <- my master toss stream
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 10:15:12
February 02 2012 10:14 GMT
#58
On February 02 2012 18:55 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 18:34 bartus88 wrote:
Zerg has a winrate of 55%+ in ZvP in both regions, and IdrA still claims Protoss is overpowered.

I wonder if he will ever realise it's his personal mindset that makes him lose, not imbalance. My guess is no.



When will forumfools realize that these stats have nothing to do with the highest level of competition?


u know these stats are only from the highest level play? TLPD(TeamLiquidPROgamingdatabase)

just look at korea stats, there u have your super highest level play
yo
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4405 Posts
February 02 2012 10:16 GMT
#59
Suprised Zerg is over 50% in Korea considering the extremely poor code s performance of zergs so far. What is there besides the Code S games? The Korean weekly I guess?
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
February 02 2012 10:18 GMT
#60
according to these ratios protoss looks really really good....
... NOT
At least PvT in Korea looks better.
I like the way people do these statistics, nice job
750/750 emotions fully stacked
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