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On February 02 2012 18:44 Pinna wrote:
Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good.
Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far.
Have you seen his micro?
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On February 02 2012 19:16 JJH777 wrote:
Suprised Zerg is over 50% in Korea considering the extremely poor code s performance of zergs so far. What is there besides the Code S games? The Korean weekly I guess?
code A, KSL, ESV
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On February 02 2012 19:19 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 19:16 JJH777 wrote:
Suprised Zerg is over 50% in Korea considering the extremely poor code s performance of zergs so far. What is there besides the Code S games? The Korean weekly I guess? code A, KSL, ESV
Oh forgot about the KSL. Code A only had one set of matches in January though.
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On February 02 2012 18:55 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 18:34 bartus88 wrote:
Zerg has a winrate of 55%+ in ZvP in both regions, and IdrA still claims Protoss is overpowered.
I wonder if he will ever realise it's his personal mindset that makes him lose, not imbalance. My guess is no. When will forumfools realize that these stats have nothing to do with the highest level of competition?
Oh the irony. Calling me a fool when you have no clue what you are talking about. These stats come from the highest level of competition. I'm used to seeing people say dumb things on forums, but you might take the cake sir.
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Both Korea and International T is consistently > Z
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Jesus, I have to figure out what other foreigner Zergs are doing differently. I can win ZvP to save my life.
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Lol and my ZvP is my worst while ZvT seems sooo easy to me oO
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lol every time i win on NA ladder its cause protoss is op -.-... TBH i trust the Kor stats more and Kor stats say things look ok lets wait and see. As for the IdrA phenomenon lol.
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On February 02 2012 19:18 thezanursic wrote:
Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good.
Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far.
Not sure what games you are watching but Grubby rarely ever all ins, and saying that Protoss is easy overall is such a redundant and ignorant statement. 2 base all in Protoss is very easy yes, but so are similar Zerg and Terran styles that rely on all ins. Personally I feel the majority of Protoss currently are falling back on all ins and timing attacks because the macro style that is rarely ever seen requires almost pure perfection in order to compete with Zerg and Terran. Its rather unfortunate that there aren't more macro Protoss like say Genius, Oz, Sase, NaNiwa, and etc but this is beginning to slowly change as 2 Base all ins are slowly becoming much less effective. The majority of foreign Protoss emulate MC pretty heavily so by no means am I surprised that they would participate in this 2 base all in style.
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Wow didn't expect to see ZvP get even more one-sided. Insanely volatile. Granted, Zerg has been consistently ahead of Protoss over the past half a year, but some months have been inside a safe margin of error for balance, and some haven't.
It's interesting... Zergs beat Protoss so frequently last month, that the main graph shows Zerg ahead of even Terran (despite T>Z in the single race match-up graph).
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ZvP is so dumb ans fluctuates so hard because it's not nearly as explored as the other 2 matchups. Those damn terrans in GSL.
On February 02 2012 19:31 wBsKillian wrote:
Lol and my ZvP is my worst while ZvT seems sooo easy to me oO
Unless you are grandmaster or something, Mutas > all ZvP.
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mutalisks, broodlords, and mothership is the problems at PvZ right now. Mutas are a tad too strong (oneshotting an entire mineral line is a tad tardy), and broodlords make it impossible to go lategame without mothership. In which case the game can end with protoss oneshotting an entire zerg army, OR it can backfire and cloak every zerg unit instead, making it even more onesided. Which is equally tardy.
Not surprised by these graphs at all.
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These voices that announce the players are just not nearly as cool as they used to be...
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On February 02 2012 19:29 MrBitter wrote:
Jesus, I have to figure out what other foreigner Zergs are doing differently. I can win ZvP to save my life.
It's mutas. Been mutas, still mutas. Every zerg out there knows mutas is the way to go right now, it's really hard to deal with, no matter what you do, it's hard not to lose probes. Unless Protoss gets lucky, mutas should win most of the time.
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First time Zerg has highest winratio.
Being Toss this times is so hard.
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In my opinion part of the problem with the international PvZ is that only real counter to muta is 2 base all in, and outside of Korea all ins are still frowned upon, and protoss players are tying to play macro.
Also a part of this month chart problem is that it seems like White-Ra is on vacation and all other Euro/USA protoss superstars are in Korea (except Grubby, Feast, Bling, Hasu [haven't seen Socke for a while]).
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On February 02 2012 20:12 Jankisa wrote:
In my opinion part of the problem with the international PvZ is that only real counter to muta is 2 base all in, and outside of Korea all ins are still frowned upon, and protoss players are tying to play macro.
Also a part of this month chart problem is that it seems like White-Ra is on vacation and all other Euro/USA protoss superstars are in Korea (except Grubby, Feast, Bling, Hasu [haven't seen Socke for a while]).
Hope you know that "International" also includes Korea?
But on the other hand that means that PvZ outside of Korea might be even worse than 40-60. Don't know what to think about that...
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3 immortals vs 5-4 bunkers = immortal victory.
Someone has to call down the nerfstick on that unit. Reduce building damage or reduce its range.
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Damn, what the hell happened to protoss internationally? I thought we were doing preety well tbh lol,
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Good to know I am not the only one struggling PvZ.
I remember someone saying once that Protoss does well vs Zerg whenever they develop some new all-in, then when Zerg learns to defend it Zerg goes back to dominating the matchup. The older this game gets, the more I believe that statement is true.
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