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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
February 02 2012 10:18 GMT
#61
On February 02 2012 18:44 Pinna wrote:
Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good.

Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far.

Have you seen his micro?
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
February 02 2012 10:19 GMT
#62
On February 02 2012 19:16 JJH777 wrote:
Suprised Zerg is over 50% in Korea considering the extremely poor code s performance of zergs so far. What is there besides the Code S games? The Korean weekly I guess?

code A, KSL, ESV
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
February 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#63
On February 02 2012 19:19 Killmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 19:16 JJH777 wrote:
Suprised Zerg is over 50% in Korea considering the extremely poor code s performance of zergs so far. What is there besides the Code S games? The Korean weekly I guess?

code A, KSL, ESV


Oh forgot about the KSL. Code A only had one set of matches in January though.
bartus88
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
February 02 2012 10:22 GMT
#64
On February 02 2012 18:55 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 18:34 bartus88 wrote:
Zerg has a winrate of 55%+ in ZvP in both regions, and IdrA still claims Protoss is overpowered.

I wonder if he will ever realise it's his personal mindset that makes him lose, not imbalance. My guess is no.



When will forumfools realize that these stats have nothing to do with the highest level of competition?



Oh the irony. Calling me a fool when you have no clue what you are talking about. These stats come from the highest level of competition. I'm used to seeing people say dumb things on forums, but you might take the cake sir.
Random master race
frucisky
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2170 Posts
February 02 2012 10:28 GMT
#65
Both Korea and International T is consistently > Z
<3 DongRaeGu <3
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
February 02 2012 10:29 GMT
#66
Jesus, I have to figure out what other foreigner Zergs are doing differently. I can win ZvP to save my life.
3DGlaDOS
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany607 Posts
February 02 2012 10:31 GMT
#67
Lol and my ZvP is my worst while ZvT seems sooo easy to me oO
Hello Sir, do you have a minute for atheism?
VTPerfect
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
February 02 2012 10:32 GMT
#68
lol every time i win on NA ladder its cause protoss is op -.-... TBH i trust the Kor stats more and Kor stats say things look ok lets wait and see. As for the IdrA phenomenon lol.
Astro-Penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
554 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 10:33:22
February 02 2012 10:32 GMT
#69
On February 02 2012 19:18 thezanursic wrote:

Protoss's just need to get it that foreign protoss's are horrible. The best foreign protoss I can come up with is Huk/SaSe, and Huk has terrible PvZ, about SaSes I don't know. But the others like Grubby who only all-ins and HasuObs who is just bad overall, I don't see the foreign Protoss's getting anywhere. The only reason that the likes of Grubby win even on ladder is the fact that on ladder, 2base all-ins are good.

Also, because the Protoss race is so easy overall, you can hit the skillceiling really fast with it, which I think happened to both Grubby and Hasuobs. 2base all-ins just cant get you so far.



Not sure what games you are watching but Grubby rarely ever all ins, and saying that Protoss is easy overall is such a redundant and ignorant statement. 2 base all in Protoss is very easy yes, but so are similar Zerg and Terran styles that rely on all ins. Personally I feel the majority of Protoss currently are falling back on all ins and timing attacks because the macro style that is rarely ever seen requires almost pure perfection in order to compete with Zerg and Terran. Its rather unfortunate that there aren't more macro Protoss like say Genius, Oz, Sase, NaNiwa, and etc but this is beginning to slowly change as 2 Base all ins are slowly becoming much less effective. The majority of foreign Protoss emulate MC pretty heavily so by no means am I surprised that they would participate in this 2 base all in style.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46515 Posts
February 02 2012 10:32 GMT
#70
Wow didn't expect to see ZvP get even more one-sided. Insanely volatile. Granted, Zerg has been consistently ahead of Protoss over the past half a year, but some months have been inside a safe margin of error for balance, and some haven't.

It's interesting... Zergs beat Protoss so frequently last month, that the main graph shows Zerg ahead of even Terran (despite T>Z in the single race match-up graph).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Slunk
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany768 Posts
February 02 2012 10:39 GMT
#71
ZvP is so dumb ans fluctuates so hard because it's not nearly as explored as the other 2 matchups. Those damn terrans in GSL.

On February 02 2012 19:31 wBsKillian wrote:
Lol and my ZvP is my worst while ZvT seems sooo easy to me oO

Unless you are grandmaster or something, Mutas > all ZvP.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8280 Posts
February 02 2012 10:39 GMT
#72
mutalisks, broodlords, and mothership is the problems at PvZ right now. Mutas are a tad too strong (oneshotting an entire mineral line is a tad tardy), and broodlords make it impossible to go lategame without mothership. In which case the game can end with protoss oneshotting an entire zerg army, OR it can backfire and cloak every zerg unit instead, making it even more onesided. Which is equally tardy.

Not surprised by these graphs at all.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46515 Posts
February 02 2012 10:44 GMT
#73
These voices that announce the players are just not nearly as cool as they used to be...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
February 02 2012 10:45 GMT
#74
On February 02 2012 19:29 MrBitter wrote:
Jesus, I have to figure out what other foreigner Zergs are doing differently. I can win ZvP to save my life.


It's mutas. Been mutas, still mutas. Every zerg out there knows mutas is the way to go right now, it's really hard to deal with, no matter what you do, it's hard not to lose probes. Unless Protoss gets lucky, mutas should win most of the time.
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
February 02 2012 11:10 GMT
#75
First time Zerg has highest winratio.

Being Toss this times is so hard.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1780 Posts
February 02 2012 11:12 GMT
#76
In my opinion part of the problem with the international PvZ is that only real counter to muta is 2 base all in, and outside of Korea all ins are still frowned upon, and protoss players are tying to play macro.

Also a part of this month chart problem is that it seems like White-Ra is on vacation and all other Euro/USA protoss superstars are in Korea (except Grubby, Feast, Bling, Hasu [haven't seen Socke for a while]).
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
o)_Saurus
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany260 Posts
February 02 2012 11:18 GMT
#77
On February 02 2012 20:12 Jankisa wrote:
In my opinion part of the problem with the international PvZ is that only real counter to muta is 2 base all in, and outside of Korea all ins are still frowned upon, and protoss players are tying to play macro.

Also a part of this month chart problem is that it seems like White-Ra is on vacation and all other Euro/USA protoss superstars are in Korea (except Grubby, Feast, Bling, Hasu [haven't seen Socke for a while]).


Hope you know that "International" also includes Korea?

But on the other hand that means that PvZ outside of Korea might be even worse than 40-60. Don't know what to think about that...
yNx
Profile Joined November 2011
Israel34 Posts
February 02 2012 11:23 GMT
#78
3 immortals vs 5-4 bunkers = immortal victory.
Someone has to call down the nerfstick on that unit. Reduce building damage or reduce its range.
QNdie
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland210 Posts
February 02 2012 11:25 GMT
#79
Damn, what the hell happened to protoss internationally? I thought we were doing preety well tbh lol,
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 11:29:04
February 02 2012 11:25 GMT
#80
Good to know I am not the only one struggling PvZ.

I remember someone saying once that Protoss does well vs Zerg whenever they develop some new all-in, then when Zerg learns to defend it Zerg goes back to dominating the matchup. The older this game gets, the more I believe that statement is true.
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