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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 11:28:41
February 02 2012 11:26 GMT
#81
On February 02 2012 20:23 yNx wrote:
3 immortals vs 5-4 bunkers = immortal victory.
Someone has to call down the nerfstick on that unit. Reduce building damage or reduce its range.


Immortals are horrible at almost everything else to be honest, so buff them in some other way if you nerf their damage to armored units or buildings.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
February 02 2012 11:40 GMT
#82
omg, NOW I realise that the plots are on different scales... The foreign one is 40-60, the korean one 20-80... Kindof changes the impression.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
February 02 2012 11:45 GMT
#83
I would have expected a lot of whining if ZvP would have only been at ~47%.
I hope more people stop listening to Idra now.
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
February 02 2012 11:45 GMT
#84
I've had a somewhat inactive month in January. But it felt like all zergs would either cheese (seriously 40%+ went 6-8pool) or go muta.

I think I only met one or two who went with the roach/hydra or roach/infestor style that was sooo common for a long time.

Personally my win/loss in PvZ isn't that bad - but that's because I all in alot and alot of zerg players will try to cut some corners. I honestly don't think I could play straight up with a zerg on 3+ bases once he's got mutas. Especially if I open with a robo. Having maybe 5gates+robo when mutas fly in - chances are he will actually be able to overtake my army with mutaling since sentry/stalker isn't really that good against air units.
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Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
February 02 2012 11:46 GMT
#85
On February 02 2012 20:23 yNx wrote:
3 immortals vs 5-4 bunkers = immortal victory.
Someone has to call down the nerfstick on that unit. Reduce building damage or reduce its range.


How did you out of those charts conclude that immortals is a problem?
(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
Goldmattress
Profile Joined May 2011
Iceland23 Posts
February 02 2012 11:54 GMT
#86
On February 02 2012 17:56 TrickyGilligan wrote:
Lol not sure what happened to the international Protoss. Considering Korea isn't even close to similar though, going to have to assume it's a fluke.

maybe IEM affected it? Or maybe it's that there are way fewer Protosses in Pro playing KR and only the very top is represented there while internationally there may still be a lot of lower tier Protosses figuring out PvZ still?
what
secretary bird
Profile Joined September 2011
447 Posts
February 02 2012 11:58 GMT
#87
On February 02 2012 19:10 xrapture wrote:
Hrm, interesting. I haven't played in a couple months because watching Terran get nerfed every patch because of Koreans was starting to get disheartening, but maybe now there will be less whining and I can actually play the game without being told how op my race is every 5 minutes.


lol no, people whine no matter what but you should either block communication or stop caring about these idiots.

Just look at this thread:

See Zerg is strongest -> whine about ZvT. Just hopeless.
Mirosuu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
England283 Posts
February 02 2012 12:00 GMT
#88
Lol @ most of the stupid balance whine in this thread.

Mutas aren't that bad to deal with in PvZ, and Protoss needs to figure out how to not just 2-base all-in every PvZ. Zergs just wised up to all the all-ins and people claim imbalance?

Until Protoss players can figure this out, PvZ win-rates won't really start to improve or change very much.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
February 02 2012 12:03 GMT
#89
On February 02 2012 20:58 secretary bird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 19:10 xrapture wrote:
Hrm, interesting. I haven't played in a couple months because watching Terran get nerfed every patch because of Koreans was starting to get disheartening, but maybe now there will be less whining and I can actually play the game without being told how op my race is every 5 minutes.


lol no, people whine no matter what but you should either block communication or stop caring about these idiots.

Just look at this thread:

See Zerg is strongest -> whine about ZvT. Just hopeless.

2 zergs left in gsl, obviously strongest, nestea picking drg for zvz and stating that other match ups are hard, zerg strongest for sure. You are mentally handicapped, aren't you?

User was temp banned for this post.
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Lixo
Profile Joined May 2011
202 Posts
February 02 2012 12:07 GMT
#90
On February 02 2012 19:31 wBsKillian wrote:
Lol and my ZvP is my worst while ZvT seems sooo easy to me oO


Same here, but once again those are not low level (hear : Master and below) stats and do not reflect what the winrate on ladder looks like. I think.
Or I just am too scared of protosses to actually apply what I learned from pros.
secretary bird
Profile Joined September 2011
447 Posts
February 02 2012 12:08 GMT
#91
On February 02 2012 21:03 Artok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:58 secretary bird wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:10 xrapture wrote:
Hrm, interesting. I haven't played in a couple months because watching Terran get nerfed every patch because of Koreans was starting to get disheartening, but maybe now there will be less whining and I can actually play the game without being told how op my race is every 5 minutes.


lol no, people whine no matter what but you should either block communication or stop caring about these idiots.

Just look at this thread:

See Zerg is strongest -> whine about ZvT. Just hopeless.

2 zergs left in gsl, obviously strongest, nestea picking drg for zvz and stating that other match ups are hard, zerg strongest for sure. You are mentally handicapped, aren't you?


According to these winrates they are and thats what they were complaining about the ZvT winrate.
silverstyle
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1108 Posts
February 02 2012 12:09 GMT
#92
Lol, i knew I wasnt alone with my horrid PvZ win rate.

I found it so strange that I read about how PvZ is so ezpz but I lost like every PvZ i play.
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MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
February 02 2012 12:11 GMT
#93
On February 02 2012 21:03 Artok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:58 secretary bird wrote:
On February 02 2012 19:10 xrapture wrote:
Hrm, interesting. I haven't played in a couple months because watching Terran get nerfed every patch because of Koreans was starting to get disheartening, but maybe now there will be less whining and I can actually play the game without being told how op my race is every 5 minutes.


lol no, people whine no matter what but you should either block communication or stop caring about these idiots.

Just look at this thread:

See Zerg is strongest -> whine about ZvT. Just hopeless.

2 zergs left in gsl, obviously strongest, nestea picking drg for zvz and stating that other match ups are hard, zerg strongest for sure. You are mentally handicapped, aren't you?


Even in korea zerg is favored statistically, whats your point? Am I the only one who was expecting those PvZ winrates? seems so ^_^
Qntc.YuMe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States792 Posts
February 02 2012 12:11 GMT
#94
sometimes i just get the feeling this is all a big troll attempt to get blizzard buffing protoss more.
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
February 02 2012 12:11 GMT
#95
Holy shit, again, look at the axes before starting to dissect every piece of information people, What seems to be great balance for Korea is actually very similar internationally, it's just that the international scene has a much smaller axis, which is actually more of a testament to the equality through the months rather than the strong Korean Terran presence a while back.

However, now it seems that the balance has really hit a good spot thus far, with maybe foreign Protoss under-performing slightly.
Writer@joonjoewong
yNx
Profile Joined November 2011
Israel34 Posts
February 02 2012 12:13 GMT
#96
Charts are not everything as they only show the general winrates and not the s-class players.
And players some players in the s-class realm have spoken up about protoss being a problem.
I just feel like after watching the code s today it does seem a bit overpowered. At least the immortal push that puzzle did.
Maybe its just me but the lack of it showing up in the graphs does not mean that it is not a problem that should be looked at?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 02 2012 12:14 GMT
#97
Oh man, so sad zealots again. I thought this era was over. We will have to see how things shake out, but right now pvz is sort of a bummer.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
February 02 2012 12:21 GMT
#98
Across the board, almost a 50% higher win rate of Zerg in ZvP.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
February 02 2012 12:28 GMT
#99
pretty even in korea it's good
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Ozira
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden150 Posts
February 02 2012 12:31 GMT
#100
On February 02 2012 18:06 jliu wrote:
Oh my gosh. Why the ZvP disparity?
edit: Nevermind see above post - probably mutas & getting better at holding 2-base all-ins.


I don't think it's that lol
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