TLPD Winrate Charts: January - Page 21

On February 04 2012 20:02 Orracle wrote:


First off, cut out non Korean statistics. These include the daily SC2 Cups, etc, which can place a Bronze Protoss vs a GM Zerg.

When looking at Korean statistics, PvT has been Protoss favored the past 2/3 months of the most recent patch. Not sure how you can consider that being "Protoss down".

On February 04 2012 21:45 Wombat_NI wrote:
No it isn't, Zerg lategame is comparable if not better with Infestor/BL, it depends on the map as well. I await to see more of Brown's PvZ, looked interesting but I'm not sure how much of it is actually his style's strengths, and how much is just other players being unfamiliar with his style.

On February 04 2012 19:45 Big J wrote:


sounds like BW Mech to me. Damage it, or die vs it.

On February 04 2012 23:10 Dalavita wrote:


Could you a-move across the map and reinforce on top of your army with BW mech?

On February 04 2012 23:20 SeaSwift wrote:


No, but you also couldn't heal your own army nor slow your opponents'.

If what you are getting at is that the analogy is imperfect, well done. You've successfully proved an equivalent to grass being green.

On February 04 2012 20:04 Raggamuffinoo wrote:
No one is discussing the Khaydarin Amulet upgrade. The outright removal of the upgrade confused most people, surely there is some room for tweaking the amount of energy given (See: BroodWar).
If the amulet upgrade was reintroduced in a lesser form, surely this would begin to balance protoss further. I do not think buffing the pheonix or cannons, as has been suggested, is the answer.

On February 05 2012 00:17 forelmashi wrote:

A better start is removing the 2 second cooldown on storm.... (why is it even there?), bringing carrier build time more in line with units from the other races, etc...

there are a LOT of obvious minor buffs that Blizzard hasn't done... they obviously just don't like protoss as much

On February 04 2012 22:16 Veriol wrote:


Thing is everyone consider BL/infestor/corruptor/spine the best unit compostion. It might be with the lategame production zerg can offer. But you have to realise how stupidly immobile force it is.
I see the trend go like this
1) Z played alot mutas but P found out about warpin timings and tht pretty much was end to muta plays.
2) Z learned how to hold warpgate timings and tht was end of them aswell.
3) P said fk it and started to play very passive turtle into ''deathball'' wich seemed invicible.
4) Z adapted and started using mutas,drops etc. into his own ''deathball'' made of BL/infestor/corruptor
5) Now its on P to realise how to prevent Z getting that deathball sooner and in enough numbers.

Few protoss players start using warp prisms, or cool timings to hinder Z production(+1 4gate), or just strong 2base push into third to not allow mutas kick in (if Z doesnt want to die he better be making roaches not mutas).

Thats how ive seen the mu to evolve might not be accurate im not pro or some caster to see thousnads of pro games.

On February 04 2012 21:55 Meega wrote:
How everyone is bashing IdrA for once having stated that Zerg cant beat Protoss - you know that this was maybe half a year ago? if not even more... so please dont rip statements out of the context.
International winrates are bad anyways since Koreans take part in many foreign tournament bashing players that dont even stand the slightest chance of winning.
So i think korean charts are more the way to go - but even there it looks like protoss needs a small buff.
(although i dont think blizzard is going to do any major balancing changes until Heart of the swarm)

On February 04 2012 23:10 Dalavita wrote:


Could you a-move across the map and reinforce on top of your army with BW mech?

On February 04 2012 18:57 OzRe wrote:

how is this has to do with the "easiest race to play"?
i think we all know why the forgien pvz is what it is...
foreign protoss dont know how to play pvz as koreans protoss players do
example: most foreign protoss players all in alot because they are afraid of zerg lategame

On February 04 2012 23:55 Dalavita wrote:


It's not a matter of flavors when you compare BW to SC2. It's a simple statement that the Protoss deathball doesn't have the weaknessses that a deathball needs to have to be battled, which makes the post of the person I quoted irrelevant. I don't know why you're getting upset about me pointing something obvious out instead of arguing with the original quote in the first place if you feel so strongly about it. Terrans being able to heal or slow is irrelevant if in the end the opponents deathball is stronger than yours, and has failsafes that the other games didn't death"ball" have. It means that whenever the deathball is up and running, you're boned, period.

On February 05 2012 04:02 Cloud9157 wrote:


Which brings me back to what I said.

Damage Protoss before they get their 200/200 deathball of Chargelots/Stalkers/Archons or they will be nearly unstoppable. Protoss does the same thing in BW against Terran.

I can't tell you how many games Terrans simply drop my mineral line. Resources are not the target in this matchup. Your target should be the forges. If you kill even one of them, you have no idea how hard that hurts. Need to wait for the forge to rebuild and then research that upgrade again.

On February 04 2012 23:55 Dalavita wrote:


It's not a matter of flavors when you compare BW to SC2. It's a simple statement that the Protoss deathball doesn't have the weaknessses that a deathball needs to have to be battled, which makes the post of the person I quoted irrelevant. I don't know why you're getting upset about me pointing something obvious out instead of arguing with the original quote in the first place if you feel so strongly about it. Terrans being able to heal or slow is irrelevant if in the end the opponents deathball is stronger than yours, and has failsafes that the other games didn't death"ball" have. It means that whenever the deathball is up and running, you're boned, period.