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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
It's that the system basically says "You can play in the GSL. Now, uproot yourself, move to Korea, and we'll have you play your first match before you've even settled down". Given actual time to practice and adjust themselves, a good number of foreigners have managed to settle themselves into the GSL tournaments fairly well (meaning not losing to every Korean they play against). | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
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PrAeToR.FeNiX
Canada361 Posts
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
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Vague
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Coated
United States74 Posts
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
 perhaps the best non GSL player that make it through a MLG season can earn a spot? LOL + Show Spoiler +renew the MLG exhange program | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
On February 01 2012 07:40 rafaliusz wrote: Sen's been a part of our foreign scene and has been participating in out events for roughly 10 years. You may not remember that tho.He is a foreigner by all means and he represents me. Agree on the chinese part tho, their scene always been separated from foreign one but I'm still interested how would chinese players do against koreans. Huh? You realize Sen is chinese right? And chinese aren't "foreigners"? I know what you're trying to say but cognitive dissonance permeates throughout the board on this subject. Sen is more acceptable to most people because he speaks English and participates in more western events (especially in recent years) than other pros from China/Taiwan. Someone like Select is accepted similarly along those lines. Though, if you read enough posts, you'll realize there's a fine distinction made by most people, which sometimes get spelled out by the more honest (Select is ethnically Korean). If you truly believe Sen represents "foreigners", you're in the minority along with me. Congratulations for having, in my opinion, a more enlightened view. Take the reaction to today's results for example. The vast majority of comments both here and in the GSL thread are about how Huk and Idra lost, not how Sen won. I guarantee you that people would be much less gloomy if say Sen and Huk lost and Idra won. Don't be naive. Take a look at who make up the fan bases, how big their fanclubs are, and how many people even choose to acknowledge Sen's accomplishments for the foreign scene vs an Idra or Huk or Jinro or Naniwa, etc... I posed a question about people's responses to Loner (chinese player) back in GSL's infancy and I got some very honest responses (which I appreciate). If you care to read them, they're probably still attached to my post history. People identify by race/ethnicity, culture, and language, in that order. | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
Nothing against Idra or Sen, but they (Idra especially) haven't been showing the greatest play as of late and if anything their poor performance in code S (and A for Idra) is proof of that. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On February 01 2012 00:44 pStar wrote: + Show Spoiler + stop giving foreigners seeds. We are terrible. Just look at HuK and idrAs play today. wasn't even close to the Korean's they were playing ( to be fairt hough, Sen played reasonably well) May seem harsh, but just my opinion. I don't think it's fair to say that IdrA's play was not even close to Avenge's. Avenge all-in'd him twice. We didn't get to see the results of the lategame training that IdrA has been doing, and to be fair, IdrA's strength is in long games, not defending crazy warp prism all ins. | ||
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
On February 01 2012 07:48 Fus wrote: Stop seeding foreigners, it's racism  I find it funny. I'm against affirmative action in principle but this whole thing just amuses me to no end. Who says white dudes get the short end of the stick? Take a look at Berkeley right after they dropped racial quotas. It just exploded with Asians. My Indian friend is pissed he got wait-listed by Harvard because they still incorporate that archaic practice. | ||
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Sub40APM
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On February 01 2012 08:49 Zyphen wrote: Huh? You realize Sen is chinese right? And chinese aren't "foreigners"? I know what you're trying to say but cognitive dissonance permeates throughout the board on this subject. Sen is more acceptable to most people because he speaks English and participates in more western events (especially in recent years) than other pros from China/Taiwan. Someone like Select is accepted similarly along those lines. Though, if you read enough posts, you'll realize there's a fine distinction made by most people, which sometimes get spelled out by the more honest (Select is ethnically Korean). If you truly believe Sen represents "foreigners", you're in the minority along with me. Congratulations for having, in my opinion, a more enlightened view. Take the reaction to today's results for example. The vast majority of comments both here and in the GSL thread are about how Huk and Idra lost, not how Sen won. I guarantee you that people would be much less gloomy if say Sen and Huk lost and Idra won. Don't be naive. Take a look at who make up the fan bases, how big their fanclubs are, and how many people even choose to acknowledge Sen's accomplishments for the foreign scene vs an Idra or Huk or Jinro or Naniwa, etc... I posed a question about people's responses to Loner (chinese player) back in GSL's infancy and I got some very honest responses (which I appreciate). If you care to read them, they're probably still attached to my post history. People identify by race/ethnicity, culture, and language, in that order. Sen is Taiwanese | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On February 01 2012 09:01 Sub40APM wrote: So are Huk and Idra leaving Korea or are they going to try to Jinro it back to GSL? I think the problem with the whole foreigner thing -- as someone else pointed out in this thread -- is that foreigners lack the infrastructure to just go and sit around on the Korean ladder for 6 months before actually playing a televised game. And if that is the reality then why not go back to NA where the pickings are easy and they can finish top 10 at an MLG, especially if the best Koreans dont come out because of GSL commitments, and collect a steady paycheck and a successful stream revenue? As semi-pro streamers like Destiny show its possible to make a pretty solid revenue stream without ever actually being a consistently good player. I'm pretty sure Idra is moving back and Huk is staying. Idra didn't want to stay in Korea long-term any ways. | ||
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
Right, like that makes all the difference. Thank you for missing the point completely. And for the record, he's about as different from a "Chinese" person as a North Korean is from a South Korean. Same ethnicity, culture, and language with a different form of government. Whoop-dee-doo. There's a bigger difference between the Irish, Scots, and Welsh. | ||
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