EPTDo foreigners really care THAT much about nationality more than level of play? Even if you want to see a foreigner succeed, what's the point of giving them the Code S seed if they are just going to get massacred? I don't see how that is fun to watch.
Foreigners' Seeds in the GSL - Page 8
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oxxo
988 Posts
Do foreigners really care THAT much about nationality more than level of play? Even if you want to see a foreigner succeed, what's the point of giving them the Code S seed if they are just going to get massacred? I don't see how that is fun to watch. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
I don't personally mind about foreigners getting Code A seeds since top foreigners seem to be close to bottom of Code A level so it's less silly and brings more viewers for Code A, just keep them out of Code S unless if they work their way up. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
i remember guys from SoTG saying that they will accept code s and go to korea, but not code a code s seed attract foreigners but code a doesnt | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:27 Zyphen wrote: When people say "foreigners", they really mean "white dudes". Of those, only morrow qualifies as such. You can go through dozens of posts without Sen and foreigner being mentioned in the same sentence, if at all. "White dudes" do not see Sen as their representative. It's just the truth. That being said; good job Sen! I'm rooting for you. Sen's been a part of our foreign scene and has been participating in out events for roughly 10 years. You may not remember that tho.He is a foreigner by all means and he represents me. Agree on the chinese part tho, their scene always been separated from foreign one but I'm still interested how would chinese players do against koreans. | ||
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LunaSaint
United Kingdom620 Posts
Gives each player 2 shots at minimum to prove themselves. And frankly, I still feel foreigners are perfectly capable of proving themselves. One reason is that most players we send over play before they get a chance to settle with the drastic culture/practise/life changes that happen when you move to Korea. The other reason is that except for the top 8 or so Code S players, the GSL and Code B are actually really tight in terms of competiton. I worry that a lot of people see their favourites lose to players whose names they don't see often or even recognise at all, and assume that the Korean is mediocre. EDIT: Forgot to mention that Sen is amazing and awesome and adorable. I've only been watching him since TSL3, but that guy has some serious style, and was a huge part of the foreign scene till he joined Gama Bears. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On February 01 2012 07:39 TicketoHELL wrote: the reason theres code s seeding in the first place is that most foreigner doesnt give shit about code a seed i remember guys from SoTG saying that they will accept code s and go to korea, but not code a code s seed attract foreigners but code a doesnt Then IMO get rid of seeds all together. Make the players actually earn their spot. I never got the whole obsession about foreigners, personally I just want to see the best of the best going head to head. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
but i guess it's better to promote foreigners into Code A where they can play evenly matched players | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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00Visor
4337 Posts
"Give Code S seed to tournament winner/runner-up" (like MLG, IPL, Dreamhack) if it is a foreigner (like Naniwa in Providence), then he earned it For the Code A seeds, the foreigners just had a lot of bad luck in the last events. Sjow and Select made it past one round and there were not among the best foreigners. Huk/Jinro showed foreigners can even compete in Code S. Other top foreigners have beaten Code S players in other tourneys. We have to give the Code A seeds, because the qualifiers are offline, and there would be less incentive to go to Korea just for qualifiers. | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
The Esports Weekly Match will be giving away a Code A spot to only players currently living in Korea(at least that is what we are lead to believe). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=307720 | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Code A seeds should only be given to other tournament winners, not the "highest ranked guy that accepts the invite" or "pretty well known foreigner that just happens to be around in Korea". | ||
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
(multiple champ winners, mlg+dh+ipl+iem+etc.) | ||
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Ruscour
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
Furthermore, it incentivizes foreigners to go to Korea for the long term. Let's say that you are a player of Kas' or Thorzain's caliber, strong enough to take down Koreans but living in Europe. The prize pool for "winning" Code A, that is winning all 3 of your matches, is less than $1000 USD. Considering that this is roughly a 2 month long tournament, that's not that much incentive for players to accept these seeds, especially when there are so many other tournaments in Europe. By giving the foreigners the "carrot", that is, a Code S seed, it gives them a huge reason to go to Korea. By going to Korea, they end up staying at least a few weeks (in which they pull an "Idra" and lose 3 consecutive matches), or they finish out the season and stay for the whole 2 month duration, training in Korea the whole time. The best way to stop foreigners from getting continually wrecked by Koreans is to produce better foreign pro gamers, and we need to give the foreign scene's top talents the best conditions through better incentives so that they can compete with Korea's finest. | ||
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