EPTPeople will still buy tickets whether their favorite foreigner is in Code S or A, but you won't polute the most prestigious league (code S) with worthless invites
Foreigners' Seeds in the GSL - Page 7
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
People will still buy tickets whether their favorite foreigner is in Code S or A, but you won't polute the most prestigious league (code S) with worthless invites | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:12 robih wrote: koreans get seeds into IEM groups and MLG poolplay without doing anything for it aswell i dont see how this is unfair MLG Pool seeds were part of a partnership between MLG and the GSL. The seeds given out since are not a part of that. Also, at MLG you had to make top 3 and be the highest non-Code S participant to be able to earn a Code S seed, a specific predetermined requirement. As for IEM, on multiple occasions the Korean invites aren't all Koreans by nationality, they've invited Huk through the 4 Korean invites, as well as Jinro. In addition, they have qualifiers for all other regions and just choose to use invites for the Korean players. It's not like this is a hand-out, you'd get Koreans anyway, they just choose to invite as opposed to open qualifiers. Also, IEM is a traveling tournament with a decent emphasis on region, choosing to have region locks for their tournaments. If the GSL wants to have online qualifiers for Code A so foreigners can compete, they can do that as well, but I don't think they're particularly interested in that option. Free Code A spots are fine to bypass the issue of drawn out qualification. Free Up/Down spots could be fine too. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On February 01 2012 02:55 Bagration wrote: Yes, keep the Code S seeds. The Korean reaction seems positive, and the foreign participation increases the GSL's viewership. Those seeds are not necessarily just for foreigners, they are for players who perform well in foreign tournaments, so Koreans can also technically win them, if I recall correctly. If you win MLG Winter Arena or IPL, it's not unreasonable to think that you should have a chance to compete with the world's best. The problem with this is that the foreign tournaments are won by Koreans with already code S/A status, the final is K vs K, etc. So the codes S/A "prize" goes to the whatever position the first foreigner is at. That's not really earning it, is it? I say seeds for code A are ok if they are earned from wining other tournaments. If the tournament winner already has code A/S status, then so be it. | ||
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
On February 01 2012 02:39 iky43210 wrote: Huk and idra are not the only foreigner in gsl... there are still hopes. Sen, morrow, xigua, macseed, and hero are still in it! they can still make it to code S When people say "foreigners", they really mean "white dudes". Of those, only morrow qualifies as such. You can go through dozens of posts without Sen and foreigner being mentioned in the same sentence, if at all. "White dudes" do not see Sen as their representative. It's just the truth. That being said; good job Sen! I'm rooting for you. | ||
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mike1
Germany155 Posts
On February 01 2012 00:47 Nekovivie wrote: GSL is supposed to be about the best players, so everyone should have to qualify. Invites/seeds just kinda take away from it. thats how i see it aswell! | ||
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:17 windsupernova wrote: Am I the only one who finds it funny that foreign fans are the ones complaining about the seeds? I haven't seen a peep from Korean pros or fans. Tbh I favour the up and down seeds. Enough to make it worth for the foreigners, and they have to earn their spot in the main tournament That's because they know it's good for the business. Borderline Korean qualifiers aren't going to earn any prize money anyway. Foreign viewers pump the tournament purse. This is a false controversy. Foreign fans just can't stand the constant embarrassment and this is the expression of that sentiment. But hey, sometimes you need to get embarrassed in order to get better. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:27 Sapphire.lux wrote: The problem with this is that the foreign tournaments are won by Koreans with already code S/A status, the final is K vs K, etc. So the codes S/A "prize" goes to the whatever position the first foreigner is at. That's not really earning it, is it? I say seeds for code A are ok if they are earned from wining other tournaments. If the tournament winner already has code A/S status, then so be it. Hard to argue whether someone earned an s spot or not, as it is subjective. Still I feel that this debate is a bit unnecessary. GSL loses viewers without foreigners, and thus revenue. Based off of that alone, I think that GSL will not change their system | ||
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alepoff
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zomgE
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imre
France9263 Posts
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KimJongIlJr
Korea (North)61 Posts
At least this way, you would get some different people. Whether they would be lambs to the slaughter remains to be seen. | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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GLLuvz
Norway25 Posts
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skyflyfish
Canada499 Posts
On February 01 2012 06:41 KimJongIlJr wrote: I would prefer a 3 strikes you're out policy. A foreigner is given 3 opportunities to stay in GSL, after that they must qualify through Code B only. I am just tired of seeing sub-par play from the same people (huk, naniwa, idra) over and over again. I am convinced that none of these mentioned could qualify through Code B. At least this way, you would get some different people. Whether they would be lambs to the slaughter remains to be seen. at least huk made to ro8 in code S | ||
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
On February 01 2012 06:41 KimJongIlJr wrote: I would prefer a 3 strikes you're out policy. A foreigner is given 3 opportunities to stay in GSL, after that they must qualify through Code B only. I am just tired of seeing sub-par play from the same people (huk, naniwa, idra) over and over again. I am convinced that none of these mentioned could qualify through Code B. At least this way, you would get some different people. Whether they would be lambs to the slaughter remains to be seen. I can sort of see where you're coming from, but you're using the wrong examples. Idra stayed in Code S on his own until he decided to leave to come back to the states. It was easier to remain in Code S then, but he did it based on his own merits, not because of GOM being nice to him. Huk dropped down to Code A, then fought his way back into Code S. That's pretty legit. He also stayed in Code S for multiple seasons and even made it to the Ro8 at one point. So, the reason you're seeing those two over and over is due to the fact that they deserved to be there, not because GOM was repeatedly inviting them. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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ZjiublingZ
United Arab Emirates439 Posts
Obviously this method would require a lot more fine tuning from people more knowledgeable than myself. But I think it would be the best way to get foreigners into GSL without questions of if they really deserved it more than others. | ||
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dekarp
286 Posts
On February 01 2012 00:47 Aphasie wrote: Hey dipshit, you might want to spoiler that so my day was the only one you've ruined so far..... If 2 "spoiled" RO48 Code A matches ruin your day... Anyways, seeds into Code A for foreigners is fine, seeds into Code S I don't like. | ||
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
It's up to GOM, and not us, how they want to style their tournament. If they think it's good business to include foreigners, I'm okay with that. Personally I would rather see them seeded into the Up and Downs, because (in the case of Code A seeds) I think flying off to Korea to play possibly (likely?) only a single best of 3 for three months is a bit much to ask. In the Up and Downs you get group play, and if you fail, there's Code A next season waiting for you, giving you a bit of continuity that is really nice if you want to try to make it in a foreign country (team support or no). I would also like to make the point that I don't think it's been conclusively proven yet that foreigners can't compete in Code S. Not many moons ago, Huk was doing just fine. Actually, he was in the Ro16 last season. How quickly we forget. | ||
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