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Very bad choice of the tour directors. Just reschedule the match for the next day or give him 2nd place money..
How can he get 4th place money if he gets to the finals.. Its nowhere said that you have to play the finals when u get there FFing can always be an option unless its clearly stated somewhere on the tour page which i doubt it is.
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"What I find terrible is the reaction of the French (And i'm French). They support or minimize Stephano's choice when it's clearly a big mistake on his part. But in France it's quite difficult to criticize Stephano or Millenium. Critics are often accused of making propaganda against Millenium. When this news was treated by French news sites has been said that it was not worth the trouble and that these sites were trying to damage the reputation of the player or its structure."
Lol you have no clue . Even Stephano's manager said to all the viewers of the Millenium TV that it was Stephano's fault and that Stephano should not have try to do both tournaments . He also point out that lots of pro players use to play several tournaments and forfeit when they can't do both (Polt, Diamaga etc ..) . And stop making generalities a lot of french people desaprove Stephano's behavior and this has nothing to do whith being or not french.
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United States22883 Posts
On February 01 2012 02:42 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 02:17 Jibba wrote:On February 01 2012 01:59 mcc wrote:On February 01 2012 01:41 Jibba wrote:
If it's simply about viewers, then why not replace all foreigners in tournaments with Chinese players? Put all the foreigners out of jobs. They cost more, draw less viewers and aren't as accomodating. The Divina female tournament pulled 400,000 in China. Imagine what would happen for a major prize pool.
And if you want a homegrown option, then tournaments can just feature LoL. Dumber player drama, but less tournament drama and 3x-5x the viewers.
All about viewership, right? Just because there are more profitable investments does not mean that there won't be any investors to the less profitable "niche" areas. As long as they are profitable, and that depends on viewers. So I see nothing in your post to actually challenge that assertion. I see ways it can potentially be challenged, but that is not it. It is of course more complex it is about viewers only so much as number of viewers can be counted to correlate with people buying (or positively affecting by word of "mouth") products of the sponsors. So in the end it is about conversion ratio between viewers and customers. But also note where this discussion about viewers came from. It was a response to a guy claiming that in analogy to political process voting is equivalent to posting on a forum. Others pointed out that voting is more analogous to watching content. I see no reason to make it into some tangent as it was just a response to bad analogy. EDIT: Now that I think about it I might have misunderstood you. If your post was a reaction to my post about Stephano having a lot of stream viewers then part of my response is still valid, but the rest not  . I would just add that even that was meant to dispel the bad analogy with elections, not to draw any moral "ought" conclusions. What if, knowing that Stephano might cause a disruption in your tournament, you invite all of the same normal players such as Kas, Dimaga, etc. but for Stephano's spot, include a top Chinese player? My point is that you say he has leverage because of his stream numbers, but I don't think it's as much as you think it is. You trade the French market for the Chinese one, and still get the rest of Europe/NA. I think organizers can live with that. They could of course benefit from that. Then again, they would benefit even more if they invited both Stephano and the Chinese guy instead of players like Machine or Hasuobs(just examples) Machine doesn't disrupt tournaments. Stephano did it twice last night.
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He should've played the games  it's his responsibility to make sure this doesn't happen.
He may have played terribly, but forfeiting still shows less respect.
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think stephano was totally justified in this, I'm appalled that even playing sleepy he made it to the final but wanting to eat and sleep aren't exactly outrageous demands. This isn't like being sad and not wanting to play a game that doesn't matter, you've got to look after your health and protect yourself as a brand.
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lol @ this discussion. without high lvl players casters would not have a job so fucking deal with it and organize tournaments probably qqqqq
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On February 01 2012 03:12 alhazrel wrote:
think stephano was totally justified in this, I'm appalled that even playing sleepy he made it to the final but wanting to eat and sleep aren't exactly outrageous demands. This isn't like being sad and not wanting to play a game that doesn't matter, you've got to look after your health and protect yourself as a brand.
It's also not as bad as logging off without a single word but it's still something that regular working Joe's don't do on a daily basis. Feeling tired at work? Tough, gotta finish what you started. And you'll find the health issues throughly discussed throughout the thread, so I suggest you read the discussion before you reply yourself.
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Well, he could have made everybody rage over his drone rush Bo3. But he chose to deal with it properly instead. I think forfeiting is a lot better for the viewers than getting to see an entire series of rushes and cheeses.
This being said, regardless of whether or not he was right, the caster who went mad about french surrendering was just lamentable.
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Can't do your job because ur tired?
starcraft pros...WHY U NO ACT MORE LIKE WHITE-RA
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On February 01 2012 03:11 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 02:42 Longshank wrote:On February 01 2012 02:17 Jibba wrote:On February 01 2012 01:59 mcc wrote:On February 01 2012 01:41 Jibba wrote:
If it's simply about viewers, then why not replace all foreigners in tournaments with Chinese players? Put all the foreigners out of jobs. They cost more, draw less viewers and aren't as accomodating. The Divina female tournament pulled 400,000 in China. Imagine what would happen for a major prize pool.
And if you want a homegrown option, then tournaments can just feature LoL. Dumber player drama, but less tournament drama and 3x-5x the viewers.
All about viewership, right? Just because there are more profitable investments does not mean that there won't be any investors to the less profitable "niche" areas. As long as they are profitable, and that depends on viewers. So I see nothing in your post to actually challenge that assertion. I see ways it can potentially be challenged, but that is not it. It is of course more complex it is about viewers only so much as number of viewers can be counted to correlate with people buying (or positively affecting by word of "mouth") products of the sponsors. So in the end it is about conversion ratio between viewers and customers. But also note where this discussion about viewers came from. It was a response to a guy claiming that in analogy to political process voting is equivalent to posting on a forum. Others pointed out that voting is more analogous to watching content. I see no reason to make it into some tangent as it was just a response to bad analogy. EDIT: Now that I think about it I might have misunderstood you. If your post was a reaction to my post about Stephano having a lot of stream viewers then part of my response is still valid, but the rest not . I would just add that even that was meant to dispel the bad analogy with elections, not to draw any moral "ought" conclusions. What if, knowing that Stephano might cause a disruption in your tournament, you invite all of the same normal players such as Kas, Dimaga, etc. but for Stephano's spot, include a top Chinese player? My point is that you say he has leverage because of his stream numbers, but I don't think it's as much as you think it is. You trade the French market for the Chinese one, and still get the rest of Europe/NA. I think organizers can live with that. They could of course benefit from that. Then again, they would benefit even more if they invited both Stephano and the Chinese guy instead of players like Machine or Hasuobs(just examples) Machine doesn't disrupt tournaments. Stephano did it twice last night.
Neither does Stephano. You have to put things into perspective, this is the first(that I've heard of at least, could be more) out of what, 100 to 200 over a year? Looking at statistics it's far more risky to invite Polt than Stephano.
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Switzerland2892 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:31 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:11 Jibba wrote:On February 01 2012 02:42 Longshank wrote:On February 01 2012 02:17 Jibba wrote:On February 01 2012 01:59 mcc wrote:On February 01 2012 01:41 Jibba wrote:
If it's simply about viewers, then why not replace all foreigners in tournaments with Chinese players? Put all the foreigners out of jobs. They cost more, draw less viewers and aren't as accomodating. The Divina female tournament pulled 400,000 in China. Imagine what would happen for a major prize pool.
And if you want a homegrown option, then tournaments can just feature LoL. Dumber player drama, but less tournament drama and 3x-5x the viewers.
All about viewership, right? Just because there are more profitable investments does not mean that there won't be any investors to the less profitable "niche" areas. As long as they are profitable, and that depends on viewers. So I see nothing in your post to actually challenge that assertion. I see ways it can potentially be challenged, but that is not it. It is of course more complex it is about viewers only so much as number of viewers can be counted to correlate with people buying (or positively affecting by word of "mouth") products of the sponsors. So in the end it is about conversion ratio between viewers and customers. But also note where this discussion about viewers came from. It was a response to a guy claiming that in analogy to political process voting is equivalent to posting on a forum. Others pointed out that voting is more analogous to watching content. I see no reason to make it into some tangent as it was just a response to bad analogy. EDIT: Now that I think about it I might have misunderstood you. If your post was a reaction to my post about Stephano having a lot of stream viewers then part of my response is still valid, but the rest not . I would just add that even that was meant to dispel the bad analogy with elections, not to draw any moral "ought" conclusions. What if, knowing that Stephano might cause a disruption in your tournament, you invite all of the same normal players such as Kas, Dimaga, etc. but for Stephano's spot, include a top Chinese player? My point is that you say he has leverage because of his stream numbers, but I don't think it's as much as you think it is. You trade the French market for the Chinese one, and still get the rest of Europe/NA. I think organizers can live with that. They could of course benefit from that. Then again, they would benefit even more if they invited both Stephano and the Chinese guy instead of players like Machine or Hasuobs(just examples) Machine doesn't disrupt tournaments. Stephano did it twice last night. Neither does Stephano. You have to put things into perspective, this is the first(that I've heard of at least, could be more) out of what, 100 to 200 over a year? Looking at statistics it's far more risky to invite Polt than Stephano.
He also acted badly at assembly summer and dh winter 2011
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On February 01 2012 03:20 fuzzz wrote:
lol @ this discussion. without high lvl players casters would not have a job so fucking deal with it and organize tournaments probably qqqqq
And lol @ you. without tournaments you wouldn't have professional players, so fucking deal with their schedules. See how easy that is?
For a lot of people it's a question of character. I would be deeply embarrassed if I gave up in the finals of a competition just because I was tired. But it's all about your past experiences and how you were raised. I suspect that people who feel what Stephano did was okay have little involvement in sports, debate, martial arts competitions, etc., and therefore haven't adopted the competitive spirit that characterizes those kinds of communities. I have always been taught that you try your hardest unless you're sick or injured.
To me it's disappointing to see Stephano giving up in the face of challenges, more than anything it tells me his heart isn't in the right place.
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Yeah, players are allowed to forfeit once in a while because we didn't let esports become slavery. I'm not impressed with the slippery slope arguments. It's plainly clear that in the vast majority of cases, the incentive of higher place prize money will keep people playing. But sometimes a player just can't, and it doesn't really matter what the reason is, because there will be someone else like ONOG who can competently apply a fair penalty that even the player recognizes as such. I don't think this could have turned out any better.
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On February 01 2012 03:20 fuzzz wrote:
lol @ this discussion. without high lvl players casters would not have a job so fucking deal with it and organize tournaments probably qqqqq
yea sure, organizers should consider the shedule of EVERY PLAYER attending the tournament when planing the tournament.
thats like the easiest thing to do right....right....right? how about only doing tournamnets with no more that 4 players in the future
anyway its easy as that: you are a professional computer gamer. you are in the position to earn money with your passion,with something you enjoy and thousand of people do envy you for that. So if you are certain to come far in a tournament you better fucking play till the end or dont register at all for it.
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On February 01 2012 03:04 VPFaith wrote:
And also you guys should not be so hard on Stephano as he took a very honest way to approach the Admins of the tournament and told them what he felt. If anything, Stephano could've said bad internet at the place of his home, and cannot play. Stephano is a really nice person.
Actually, he's pretty BM. (What I've gathered from watching his stream, replays of him, and various stories such as the coL controversy).
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"Dealing with it properly" would not be signing up for a tournament he can't finish.
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On February 01 2012 03:33 pPingu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:31 Longshank wrote:On February 01 2012 03:11 Jibba wrote:On February 01 2012 02:42 Longshank wrote:On February 01 2012 02:17 Jibba wrote:On February 01 2012 01:59 mcc wrote:On February 01 2012 01:41 Jibba wrote:
If it's simply about viewers, then why not replace all foreigners in tournaments with Chinese players? Put all the foreigners out of jobs. They cost more, draw less viewers and aren't as accomodating. The Divina female tournament pulled 400,000 in China. Imagine what would happen for a major prize pool.
And if you want a homegrown option, then tournaments can just feature LoL. Dumber player drama, but less tournament drama and 3x-5x the viewers.
All about viewership, right? Just because there are more profitable investments does not mean that there won't be any investors to the less profitable "niche" areas. As long as they are profitable, and that depends on viewers. So I see nothing in your post to actually challenge that assertion. I see ways it can potentially be challenged, but that is not it. It is of course more complex it is about viewers only so much as number of viewers can be counted to correlate with people buying (or positively affecting by word of "mouth") products of the sponsors. So in the end it is about conversion ratio between viewers and customers. But also note where this discussion about viewers came from. It was a response to a guy claiming that in analogy to political process voting is equivalent to posting on a forum. Others pointed out that voting is more analogous to watching content. I see no reason to make it into some tangent as it was just a response to bad analogy. EDIT: Now that I think about it I might have misunderstood you. If your post was a reaction to my post about Stephano having a lot of stream viewers then part of my response is still valid, but the rest not . I would just add that even that was meant to dispel the bad analogy with elections, not to draw any moral "ought" conclusions. What if, knowing that Stephano might cause a disruption in your tournament, you invite all of the same normal players such as Kas, Dimaga, etc. but for Stephano's spot, include a top Chinese player? My point is that you say he has leverage because of his stream numbers, but I don't think it's as much as you think it is. You trade the French market for the Chinese one, and still get the rest of Europe/NA. I think organizers can live with that. They could of course benefit from that. Then again, they would benefit even more if they invited both Stephano and the Chinese guy instead of players like Machine or Hasuobs(just examples) Machine doesn't disrupt tournaments. Stephano did it twice last night. Neither does Stephano. You have to put things into perspective, this is the first(that I've heard of at least, could be more) out of what, 100 to 200 over a year? Looking at statistics it's far more risky to invite Polt than Stephano. He also acted badly at assembly summer and dh winter 2011
You are thinking about BeastyQT against Stephano ? Last game of the pool ? Player who win would have to play against Sen ?
IIRC, Stephano start the game playing usually, BeastyQT start the shenaningan, Stephano just follow the move.
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On February 01 2012 03:48 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:33 pPingu wrote:On February 01 2012 03:31 Longshank wrote:On February 01 2012 03:11 Jibba wrote:On February 01 2012 02:42 Longshank wrote:On February 01 2012 02:17 Jibba wrote:On February 01 2012 01:59 mcc wrote:On February 01 2012 01:41 Jibba wrote:
If it's simply about viewers, then why not replace all foreigners in tournaments with Chinese players? Put all the foreigners out of jobs. They cost more, draw less viewers and aren't as accomodating. The Divina female tournament pulled 400,000 in China. Imagine what would happen for a major prize pool.
And if you want a homegrown option, then tournaments can just feature LoL. Dumber player drama, but less tournament drama and 3x-5x the viewers.
All about viewership, right? Just because there are more profitable investments does not mean that there won't be any investors to the less profitable "niche" areas. As long as they are profitable, and that depends on viewers. So I see nothing in your post to actually challenge that assertion. I see ways it can potentially be challenged, but that is not it. It is of course more complex it is about viewers only so much as number of viewers can be counted to correlate with people buying (or positively affecting by word of "mouth") products of the sponsors. So in the end it is about conversion ratio between viewers and customers. But also note where this discussion about viewers came from. It was a response to a guy claiming that in analogy to political process voting is equivalent to posting on a forum. Others pointed out that voting is more analogous to watching content. I see no reason to make it into some tangent as it was just a response to bad analogy. EDIT: Now that I think about it I might have misunderstood you. If your post was a reaction to my post about Stephano having a lot of stream viewers then part of my response is still valid, but the rest not . I would just add that even that was meant to dispel the bad analogy with elections, not to draw any moral "ought" conclusions. What if, knowing that Stephano might cause a disruption in your tournament, you invite all of the same normal players such as Kas, Dimaga, etc. but for Stephano's spot, include a top Chinese player? My point is that you say he has leverage because of his stream numbers, but I don't think it's as much as you think it is. You trade the French market for the Chinese one, and still get the rest of Europe/NA. I think organizers can live with that. They could of course benefit from that. Then again, they would benefit even more if they invited both Stephano and the Chinese guy instead of players like Machine or Hasuobs(just examples) Machine doesn't disrupt tournaments. Stephano did it twice last night. Neither does Stephano. You have to put things into perspective, this is the first(that I've heard of at least, could be more) out of what, 100 to 200 over a year? Looking at statistics it's far more risky to invite Polt than Stephano. He also acted badly at assembly summer and dh winter 2011 You are thinking about BeastyQT against Stephano ? Last game of the pool ? Player who win would have to play against Sen ? IIRC, Stephano start the game playing usually, BeastyQT start the shenaningan, Stephano just follow the move.
Think it was BratOK.
Anyway, acting badly doesn't mean disrupting the tournament.
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I find it hilarious how over entitled some people feel. Its truly the generation of "me first."
I'm sleepy so perish the thought I should care about things like commitment, and obligation.
I'm glad that a poster above mentioned that even Stephano's manager himself said the player f***ked up.
Can't believe so many people are apologizing/justifying his actions.
The organizers I believe were being great by even giving him 4th prize given his ungracious actions of just giving an ultimatum and logging off. He could have just politely told the organizers that he was simply too tired to continue, let them have a short dialogue through skype to understand his condition. Its not like they were unavailable or being stand-offish. It seems they wanted to accommodate him as far as possible. Sure, it'll still be dick move on his part, but just saying I'm tired, bye. And logging off shows that he has completely no respect for the time, effort and trouble the organizers went to make this tournament happen.
And I'm sorry, perish the thought that a uni student should pull an all-nighter. THINK OF HIS HEALTH, HIS BRAND, HIS ... Far as I know, many people pull 20hr working days consistently or all-nighters and they haven't died or gotten cancer yet. Maybe they've gotten a bit fatter but seems like all pro-gamers get a little chubbier.
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