EPTpatch after ... interceptors that return to the carrier get repaired
etc etc just minor changes to increase the chance it gets used because honestly i dont think its "too far" away from being viable..
We Must Fight For The Carrier - Page 14
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Archybaldie
United Kingdom818 Posts
patch after ... interceptors that return to the carrier get repaired etc etc just minor changes to increase the chance it gets used because honestly i dont think its "too far" away from being viable.. | ||
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Gollomor
Austria51 Posts
Everybody on this world build carrier. Think at WhiteRas Carrier Build versus Darkforce. Carrier are a powerfull unit in the right hand. Pls Blizzard dont remove this epic Protoss Unit and DONT REMOVE THE MOTHERSHIP !! | ||
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PZyungprince
United States13 Posts
On January 27 2012 15:01 Zzoram wrote: How could a Zerg deal with Carriers in Broodwar? They had about the same anti-air options, except for the addition of Scourge. Well hydralisk doesn't have speed, corruptor is different from scourges, scourges is a massive suicide unit (95 damage per hit or whatever) 8-10 of them gg a carrier. There for u need the support of corsair. But i dont get why u keep wanting to compare bw with sc2 they are all different units with different ability+different attack speed movement speed. where in bw u have hydralisk speed plague and swarm cloud for hydra in sc2 hydralisk are slow and very expensive and not as effective(main reason why they are getting speed back in HOTS same as ULTRALISK). Not to offend u but i myself is a GM every season play every pro u could name on ladder... im not the type of person who would ever call someone a hacker or being lame about the overpower unit/race... but i must say in WOL PVZ is quiet bullshit with carriers/collosus/archon/mothership/storm/blinkstalker/forcefield not to mention immortals/dt? LOL.. and u have the guts to say"they had about the same anti-air options, except for the addition of scourge" LOL u know how much scourge play a big part in anti air back in bw? i guess u never did or understand... u want carriers? give zerg back scourge and swarm cloud ill let u keep mothership also if u give us back lurker,sup? | ||
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
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redDuke
Australia207 Posts
On January 26 2012 09:17 Amlitzer wrote: Long live the carrier! Death to the deathball! +1 carriers are AWESOME units, and deathball toss bores me sometimes (even as a toss player) | ||
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PZyungprince
United States13 Posts
On January 27 2012 15:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: .Carriers are getting removed because they're overpowered in PvZ? Don't you find it somewhat odd that we almost never see them in pro-games then? You'd think it would be just as standard a late game transition as archon toilets! FYI the game is about for 2 years now, strategies/timing are still being figured. Pro doesn't take risk in it yet...simply becuz they do not want to drop a game for trying out new strats. But sooner or later when people realize how retarded it is for zvp becuz of carriers it will get abused... Main reason why David Kim/Blizzard secure their job of imbalance management is becuz people like you. With the lack of knowledge of the game thinking u know everything yet u have no idea, will never do balancing management.... TY bring out more pros to compare please if not do BW/SC2 compare... heck even day[9] to see what he has to say???? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43756 Posts
On January 27 2012 22:43 PZyungprince wrote: . FYI the game is about for 2 years now, strategies/timing are still being figured. Pro doesn't take risk in it yet...simply becuz they do not want to drop a game for trying out new strats. But sooner or later when people realize how retarded it is for zvp becuz of carriers it will get abused... Main reason why David Kim/Blizzard secure their job of imbalance management is becuz people like you. With the lack of knowledge of the game thinking u know everything yet u have no idea, will never do balancing management.... TY bring out more pros to compare please if not do BW/SC2 compare... heck even day[9] to see what he has to say???? So carriers will be completely removed from the game because you claim they're overpowered in PvZ... not because we've actually seen any evidence of this, from tournaments or from the pros, but because you think you have special foresight? All I can say is that I'm glad that every other unit has been nerfed and buffed when severe imbalances have been found (and not completely removed from the game), and it's rather interesting that no one uses this apparent auto-win PvZ unit. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 27 2012 22:38 redDuke wrote: +1 carriers are AWESOME units, and deathball toss bores me sometimes (even as a toss player) Who says one can not make deathball out of carriers? | ||
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
My sugestion is that, like the OP said, give the Carrier the Attack while moving ability to improve micro ability. Also if the Interceptors still remain with a production cost, give the carrier a button in wich all your interceptors return to the Carrier. With this you can micro even better since if you see your opponent with superior force you can put your interceptors safe without much loss. ♥ Carrier | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On January 27 2012 22:43 PZyungprince wrote: . FYI the game is about for 2 years now, strategies/timing are still being figured. Pro doesn't take risk in it yet...simply becuz they do not want to drop a game for trying out new strats. But sooner or later when people realize how retarded it is for zvp becuz of carriers it will get abused... Main reason why David Kim/Blizzard secure their job of imbalance management is becuz people like you. With the lack of knowledge of the game thinking u know everything yet u have no idea, will never do balancing management.... TY bring out more pros to compare please if not do BW/SC2 compare... heck even day[9] to see what he has to say???? This must be the worst post I've seen in weeks. My brain cells are committing suicide. | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
On January 27 2012 22:43 PZyungprince wrote: . FYI the game is about for 2 years now, strategies/timing are still being figured. Pro doesn't take risk in it yet...simply becuz they do not want to drop a game for trying out new strats. But sooner or later when people realize how retarded it is for zvp becuz of carriers it will get abused... Main reason why David Kim/Blizzard secure their job of imbalance management is becuz people like you. With the lack of knowledge of the game thinking u know everything yet u have no idea, will never do balancing management.... TY bring out more pros to compare please if not do BW/SC2 compare... heck even day[9] to see what he has to say???? Actually I know of some EU pros that have tried to use the carrier and make it work but it never ended up working out for various reasons, saying that it hasn't been tried is just dumb, there's significant problems with it that most people have already bought up in this thread and to say that stuff about PvZ is just ludicrous. | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On January 27 2012 07:55 a176 wrote: Why not? Swarm host is exactly a crawling brood lord. Atleast the lurker has a different attack. No it isn't... For one thing the the Swarm Host does not do direct damage like a brood lord. Second it does not have range. Third it does not need a target to use it's ability. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15391 Posts
On January 27 2012 23:18 EdSlyB wrote: I play zerg and I endorse this thread. My sugestion is that, like the OP said, give the Carrier the Attack while moving ability to improve micro ability. Also if the Interceptors still remain with a production cost, give the carrier a button in wich all your interceptors return to the Carrier. With this you can micro even better since if you see your opponent with superior force you can put your interceptors safe without much loss. ♥ Carrier It warms my heart to see my enemies come to my people's aid. | ||
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
I view carriers as a way for protoss to expand on an upgrade advantage, as +air weapons for the carrier does a huuuge impact on damage, as does +armor on defense. I can definitely see a use for the carriers not explored yet, in forcing the enemy away from upgrades in favor of econ or army, and then pop out a few +2 carriers while they have no +armor yet. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15391 Posts
On January 28 2012 05:21 Chaggi wrote: I think this idea has gotten around the Korean community. I've been smurfed at least like 6 times in the last 2 days with carriers. I can only pray that the metagame shifts quickly enough for Blizzard to reconsider! | ||
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Young_Gun
United Kingdom18 Posts
- Blizz need to stop the hate and should try going all out to buff the carrier before trying to remove it! I hate how David Kim is saying "oh we could buff it but we don't think it will solve the problem". Well I think that is BS! Why can't they just implement the major buffs for carrier and have it in Public Test Roomto see if the carrier will improve! If not then proceed differently. I really hate how David Kim can be so dismissive of the most obvious suggestions while pretending to care about the community's opinion. - Also, how much influence does Kim has in the game design anyway? I am quite sick and tired of his endless half hearted answers while major balance problem remain - HOTS cannot be relied on to balance everything since HOTS is a different game. Blizzard should stick to their word and keep WOL alive through patches and improvements and allow players the chance to play 2 balance games separately (HOTS and WOL) Some possible improvements to the carrier (this is purely brainstorming and does not take into account balance). This is to show that Blizzard should at least try some form of buff for the carrier before removing it! - Significant reduction in build time - Health and shield increase - Speed increase, Interceptor's range increase so vikings have to at least get into firing range of carriers when they try to snipe the carrier - Special hardened shield similar to Immortals that allows the carrier to stand up to initial fire - Burst special attack for interceptors - Cost reduction for carriers - currently in terms of cost, health, damage etc. Carriers are less cost effective than Battle Cruisers. - Equipped carriers with photon canons so that when all interceptors die, they can still defend themselves (also lessen the effectiveness of vikings/corruptors) | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On January 27 2012 22:43 PZyungprince wrote: . FYI the game is about for 2 years now, strategies/timing are still being figured. Pro doesn't take risk in it yet...simply becuz they do not want to drop a game for trying out new strats. But sooner or later when people realize how retarded it is for zvp becuz of carriers it will get abused... Main reason why David Kim/Blizzard secure their job of imbalance management is becuz people like you. With the lack of knowledge of the game thinking u know everything yet u have no idea, will never do balancing management.... TY bring out more pros to compare please if not do BW/SC2 compare... heck even day[9] to see what he has to say???? Remember when HongUnPrime didn't make carriers in every matchup? He was still in the GSL Carriers are cost ineffective in small numbers, and take impossibly long to make. There is no way to amass several without being scouted, and then once you are, they move so slowly that it's very unlikely they'll ever survive crossing the map. Not to mention in any PvX matchup by the time you have a fleet beacon, interceptor speed, and any air upgrades (thus making it worth while to create ANY carriers at all) your opponent is going to have the units to annihilate you when you move out. (corruptors, vikings, etc) | ||
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enwah
Japan1 Post
Unfortunately in SC2 I have gone the way of zerg. With the coming changes to zerg I am also upset. I believe in a fight for the overseer and the removal of this hideous viper thing. Getting rid of the overseer will mean that you may have to wait for the lair upgrade then possibly build the spire (I imagine this is where this viper thing would come from) to get a mobile detector. Being stuck with spore colonies that late in the game could be disastrous. So, this viper gives you a mobile detector, a pluck ability, ocular parasite, and the opposite of the defiler's dark swarm. I'd rather see the queen get an upgrade and become a more viable unit. Hit the lair, upgrade the queen and give it the pluck and this cloud ability. As for ocular parasite, I'll be all kinds of thrilled when my "ocular parasited" roach gets toasted and dts take over. Not too excited about anything parasitic. If you want to overpower it, hell give it a healing spray type ability, whatever. Keep the overseer and give the queen some action. Sorry to change the subject from the carrier. The almighty capital ship of the toss is not the only unit that has become endangered, or soon to be extinct. | ||
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