The Foreigner Dilemma - Page 11

On January 25 2012 20:59 Ewic wrote:
@ dapierow & NightOfTheDead - I'm echoing what the OP is saying - tournaments are being won by the same people over and over again and there is little room for up-and-coming players to be noticed or win anything. I think you would understand when you devote as much time into this game I have and haven't received $1 for it.

On January 26 2012 01:59 PET wrote:


You are missing the point. The point was that the EU/NA players are not motivated because they don't have something to fight for. And even if they sometimes to, you always get a Korean. While for some people will work, for some people will not be fair. There are other events besides NASL, MLG, etc where you do expect the best of the best, but in the meantime you have nothing.

On January 26 2012 02:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:

Seriously, name korean invites who hasn't earned their place. You're saying some no name player who has just started working deserves more attention than a korean who has been in the scene and has been competing forever? Ok, we might as well blame players like Huk and Idra who are not only better, but also get free rides to these tournaments. No one invites obscure korean no name B teamers. B teamers have to work through qualifiers just like everyone else, and hey guess what, they fucking win cause they're better and have been working harder for longer. You're blaming the current talent for the woes of the up and comers, and it really should have nothing to do with whether they're korean or not.

On January 26 2012 01:59 PET wrote:


You are missing the point. The point was that the EU/NA players are not motivated because they don't have something to fight for. And even if they sometimes to, you always get a Korean. While for some people will work, for some people will not be fair. There are other events besides NASL, MLG, etc where you do expect the best of the best, but in the meantime you have nothing. Not every player out there is supported by a big team. Not every player out there has a good motivation. YOu have a motivation until some point, but then you are losing it.

Starcraft 2 Pro Scene is not that small. Problem is that viewers always chose to see the 5% of what is out there, and we chose to NOT support the rest.

On January 26 2012 02:05 PET wrote:


You are the classic viewer I am talking about. This has NOTHING to do with HuK or Koreans in general. It has to do with the declining of Pro-Players in Europe and NA.

On January 26 2012 02:05 karpo wrote:


There's an abundance of SC2 and it's really not suprising that people watch the stuff with the best players. I'm sorry but why would i watch your tournament when i have a shitload of GSL, KSL, NASL, MLG, DH, HSC, and other vods available? There's just such an abundance of content and not enough of a fanbase to sustain lots of local small tournaments yet.

On January 26 2012 02:03 DoomsVille wrote:

You're another perfect example of where this system fails.

For you guys that don't know Ewic, he is a GM player on NA. He is one of VP's best players. He is a beast. But no one knows who he is because there is nowhere he can go to get noticed.

On January 26 2012 02:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:

Yes, because I have infinity hours and money on my hands that I can support some guy who has probably played the game for about a year for 4 hours a day and who still can't manage to prevent himself from a moving his shit after he turtles for 20 minutes.

On January 25 2012 21:22 MorroW wrote:
this article is pretty stupid

its actually the other way around.
koreans have a really hard time getting noticed even when they become gosu. there are hundreds of korean gosus but we really just notice and keep an eye on about 10% of them.

how many foreigner gosus are there? doesnt matter we keep an eye on 100% of them, we even follow players that arent gosus but are "pretty good for foreigner".

they have to practice like crazy, to one day qualify for code a (takes from 1 month to 1 year lol) and then hopefully get noticed.

foreigners get to GM in and sign up for weekly cups, after a while he starts getting noticed because he gets like top8 in weekly cups.
the amount of work you have to do, the cheer skill you need as a korean to get noticed is alot higher than for foreigners. because these up and coming foreigners doesnt have to climb up as high in skill to start winning tournaments.

so its easier in a few ways:
1: you dont need as much skill to win weeklys
2: there are tournaments everywhere you can play in the foreigner scene
3: you get noticed much more easily because foreigner scene obviously follows the foreigner scene more

the reason why theres more koreans on the top, why foreigner teams are recruiting more koreans etc is because they are better and the teams want them to win.

i dont know the reason why theres few foreigner progamers or few up and coming. but im 110% sure its not because its too hard to get noticed. its really really easy and anyone could do it that knows what hard work and dedication means.

take nerchio as an example. he was a noname that practiced hard, became a top foreigner in skill, won a shitton of weekly cups and the he started to get invited to tournaments. and now hes famous and skilled enough to get to lans like homestory cup.

if you know how it works on both sides and u put them up together, you soon realize that its alot easier for foreigners to get famous, money and invites to tournamnets

and on a sidenote. the graph you pulled up is the amount of players on the server, that has nothing to do with the amount of players that is trying to become progamers and famous

On January 26 2012 02:09 PET wrote:


I my friend are something I can not say. You clearly talk without knowing what you talk about. Again, you are the classic VIEWERS who only know the 5%, but there is much more there. You just have to look.

On January 26 2012 02:09 PET wrote:


I my friend are something I can not say. You clearly talk without knowing what you talk about. Again, you are the classic VIEWERS who only know the 5%, but there is much more there. You just have to look.

On January 25 2012 20:53 slmw wrote:
I took the same data from each three servers, added dates from patches and this is what i got:


What did we do differently?
Here's the data:
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On January 25 2012 21:02 XRaDiiX wrote:
Would this explain why Masters is harder this season.

On January 25 2012 20:30 Bswhunter wrote:
wat.
no u see peopel can still break into the scene, its just easier than like a year ago.
you wont get like, a massive burst of popularity, but say im like good n shit, playing on US server, i see say, destiny on ladder.
we have a good game, im like yo, lets play 2v2's.
then we play 2v2's im on his skype talking n shit. if im intresting enough then some of the people on his stream will come and watch mine or something, idk.

(not that that's gunna happen, im a diamond lvl sea player lol)

On January 26 2012 02:08 karpo wrote:


He's a beast compared to who? He's a beast compared to others on the NA ladder. There's just not enough people that care about that, we all just assume he'll get smashed by the top foreigners and most koreans. That mindset has been proven true more often than not and i just don't know what you want, there's just too much content from high end players that you already can't watch it all.

Yes, because I have infinity hours and money on my hands that I can support some guy who has probably played the game for about a year for 4 hours a day and who still can't manage to prevent himself from a moving his shit after he turtles for 20 minutes.