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On January 18 2012 21:48 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:45 Keeler wrote:Maybe EG should give fnatic some pointers on dealing with TSL  Actually, I dont think so. Fnatic recruited Rain from TSL last spring, there wasnt any drama then. So Idk this is just weird. I think aLive messed up. Because Fnatic and TSL were on good terms after Rain transaction, the Fnatic players even lived in the TSL house a couple of weeks ago. Something has gone terribley wrong, and the community doesnt know jack shit and we're just created retarded drama out of things we dont know about.
No....Lee created a retarded drama by making a shady internal drama public....we are growing the drama..but not started it.
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On January 18 2012 21:03 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 20:50 BluePanther wrote:
I think Mr. Lee needs to take some Western Business classes..... He's obviously missing something. I'm not saying he's wrong, but this has happened way too many times to simply be him just being a victim. He does seem to be the only one whining about players being signed to other teams. Wasn't he also involved with the whole Fruitdealer thing where TSL was receiving money for sponsors, but the fruitdealer was not? From what we heard after the Puma issue, it sounded like Puma a verbal contract and was not paid(beyond room and board). I don't know if he takes his players for granted or will not speak with other teams about signing players. The first time I was willing to listen, the second I questions what is going on. If there is a third time, I am going to say that coach Lee might be expecting unreasonable things. Edit: spelling
Fruitdealer and Tester were proven to be lying. They did receive payments but refused to turn up for practice.
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koreans have the skill, foreigners have the money
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On January 18 2012 21:50 ReboundEU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:48 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:45 Keeler wrote:Maybe EG should give fnatic some pointers on dealing with TSL Actually, I dont think so. Fnatic recruited Rain from TSL last spring, there wasnt any drama then. So Idk this is just weird. I think aLive messed up. Because Fnatic and TSL were on good terms after Rain transaction, the Fnatic players even lived in the TSL house a couple of weeks ago. Something has gone terribley wrong, and the community doesnt know jack shit and we're just created retarded drama out of things we dont know about. No....Lee created a retarded drama by making a shady internal drama public....we are growing the drama..but not started it.
He has every right to take it to the court. aLive was under contract. there's nothing shady about it.
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On January 18 2012 21:46 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:43 Xalorian wrote:On January 18 2012 21:31 Oreo7 wrote:On January 18 2012 21:17 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:11 xBillehx wrote:
It's always TSL saying something, people trashing them on it when the other side makes the issue fuzzy, and then when it turns out Coach Lee was right those people either shift defenses or silently wait for the next time to repeat the cycle.
People called Coach Lee a liar when he said Puma got poached, when it turned out EG really went after him they shifted to the no contract defense.
People called Coach Lee a liar when Fruitdealer/Trickster left claiming they didn't get paid, s2con expelled him and when it turned out he was right by providing bank statements everyone felt stupid and retracted accusations.
People are calling Coach Lee a liar again here when he says alive broke the contract Lee learned to make after issue #1 and left the team to join fnatic after being convinced by (or misunderstanding?) their translator.
It's kind of weird. Seems u don't know anything about how the EG/TSL incident took place.... and the explenations given and confirmed No...EG went after Puma without talking to Coach Lee first. Feel bad for TSL. All the angry reactionary knee jerkers are effectively saying "Coach Lee?! Yeah, I've read that name twice before in TL's community news. FUCK that guy, he causes so much drama." Sad. I think the real victim here is Alive, lead along by a member of Fnatic etc. So no one can speak to a player of another team before talking to their manager? Contract or not, how stupid is that? Obviously you will talk to a player to see if he is interested before going to their coach for negotiations. If there is no contract, there is not even a need for negotiations with their coach. There was no contract. That's how business and contract work. I don't think that there is a clause in their contract saying "YOU CAN'T TALK TO MANAGER FROM OTHER TEAM AND YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT LEAVING WITHOUT ME, COACH LEE' AGREEING BEFORE HAND." Some people are overreacting, like ever. Exactly like Coach Lee, actually... there is no fucking need to bring that to the community to create drama. What does he expect? Sympathy? Help? He is just trying to hurt Fnatic. He should grow up and try to resolve is own issue himself, like other team manager. The korean article focus isn't against Fnatic it's against aLive. So actually he isn't saying anything about Fnatic. He said he wants to take legal action against alive NOT fnatic.
It's even worse. So he is trying to create drama around a player that is alone instead of going to him and discuss with him? He want to sue him AND bring drama from the community around him? What a good coach.
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On January 18 2012 21:53 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:50 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:48 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:45 Keeler wrote:Maybe EG should give fnatic some pointers on dealing with TSL Actually, I dont think so. Fnatic recruited Rain from TSL last spring, there wasnt any drama then. So Idk this is just weird. I think aLive messed up. Because Fnatic and TSL were on good terms after Rain transaction, the Fnatic players even lived in the TSL house a couple of weeks ago. Something has gone terribley wrong, and the community doesnt know jack shit and we're just created retarded drama out of things we dont know about. No....Lee created a retarded drama by making a shady internal drama public....we are growing the drama..but not started it. He has every right to take it to the court. aLive was under contract. there's nothing shady about it.
Court is one thing.....a public news is another thing. Shaidy is that TSL is the only team on this planet that has so many issues with it's players....repetitive. And yes u are right..he has the right to take it to Court....ofc. The fact that he might lose is another.
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On January 18 2012 21:54 ReboundEU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:53 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:50 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:48 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:45 Keeler wrote:Maybe EG should give fnatic some pointers on dealing with TSL Actually, I dont think so. Fnatic recruited Rain from TSL last spring, there wasnt any drama then. So Idk this is just weird. I think aLive messed up. Because Fnatic and TSL were on good terms after Rain transaction, the Fnatic players even lived in the TSL house a couple of weeks ago. Something has gone terribley wrong, and the community doesnt know jack shit and we're just created retarded drama out of things we dont know about. No....Lee created a retarded drama by making a shady internal drama public....we are growing the drama..but not started it. He has every right to take it to the court. aLive was under contract. there's nothing shady about it. Court is one thing.....a public news is another thing
Why not?
SK took the "GuX controversy" to public news in 2010
Fnatic took the "Delpan controversy" to public news in 2011
Happens all the time in esports, every organisation does it. That's how it works in esports.
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i edited my previous post, sry for the confusion
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On January 18 2012 21:34 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:32 Devolved wrote:On January 18 2012 20:26 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 20:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL. If a player is under contract he can only leave because of following: 1) contract expires 2) someone buys him out of the contract 3) management decides to release him. None of these 3 happened, but he still left the team. thereby he breached his contact. Did he leave the team or team house? Is leaving the team house considered leaving the team? Is staying in the team house part of the contract? What caused him to leave the house? Was there verbal abuse going on? Are there stipulations in the contract that require a professional working environment at the team house and was that somehow being broken? There's a lot of situations where you can get out of a contract other than what you have listed and we don't know any of the details of the situation or the contract so what you say is pure speculation. Both. He left after the fnatic guys stayed at the TSL house (ToD and Rain were staying there) and when they left he left too. He was then listed at teamless on goms website, changed his twitter name and right now at the very moment he is playing GSL as a teamless player.
So... shouldn't Coach Lee be angry with Alive? I don't see where Fnatic is responsible...
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On January 18 2012 21:54 ReboundEU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:53 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:50 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:48 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:45 Keeler wrote:Maybe EG should give fnatic some pointers on dealing with TSL Actually, I dont think so. Fnatic recruited Rain from TSL last spring, there wasnt any drama then. So Idk this is just weird. I think aLive messed up. Because Fnatic and TSL were on good terms after Rain transaction, the Fnatic players even lived in the TSL house a couple of weeks ago. Something has gone terribley wrong, and the community doesnt know jack shit and we're just created retarded drama out of things we dont know about. No....Lee created a retarded drama by making a shady internal drama public....we are growing the drama..but not started it. He has every right to take it to the court. aLive was under contract. there's nothing shady about it. Court is one thing.....a public news is another thing. Shaidy is that TSL is the only team on this planet that has so many issues with it's players....repetitive. And yes u are right..he has the right to take it to Court....ofc. The fact that he might lose is another.
Well unlike Europe, esports is actually a real job in Korea
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On January 18 2012 21:58 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:54 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:53 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:50 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:48 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:45 Keeler wrote:Maybe EG should give fnatic some pointers on dealing with TSL Actually, I dont think so. Fnatic recruited Rain from TSL last spring, there wasnt any drama then. So Idk this is just weird. I think aLive messed up. Because Fnatic and TSL were on good terms after Rain transaction, the Fnatic players even lived in the TSL house a couple of weeks ago. Something has gone terribley wrong, and the community doesnt know jack shit and we're just created retarded drama out of things we dont know about. No....Lee created a retarded drama by making a shady internal drama public....we are growing the drama..but not started it. He has every right to take it to the court. aLive was under contract. there's nothing shady about it. Court is one thing.....a public news is another thing. Shaidy is that TSL is the only team on this planet that has so many issues with it's players....repetitive. And yes u are right..he has the right to take it to Court....ofc. The fact that he might lose is another. Well unlike Europe, esports is actually a real job in Korea
EG members (USA) have base salaries to witch they add their contest wins and are contract signed....isn't it the same thing? The gap between Koreans and Foureginers is thiner then u might think (not only competitive wise). EG is just an example, other teams most likely do the same, but EG made this public several times.
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On January 18 2012 21:58 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:34 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:32 Devolved wrote:On January 18 2012 20:26 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 20:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL. If a player is under contract he can only leave because of following: 1) contract expires 2) someone buys him out of the contract 3) management decides to release him. None of these 3 happened, but he still left the team. thereby he breached his contact. Did he leave the team or team house? Is leaving the team house considered leaving the team? Is staying in the team house part of the contract? What caused him to leave the house? Was there verbal abuse going on? Are there stipulations in the contract that require a professional working environment at the team house and was that somehow being broken? There's a lot of situations where you can get out of a contract other than what you have listed and we don't know any of the details of the situation or the contract so what you say is pure speculation. Both. He left after the fnatic guys stayed at the TSL house (ToD and Rain were staying there) and when they left he left too. He was then listed at teamless on goms website, changed his twitter name and right now at the very moment he is playing GSL as a teamless player. So... shouldn't Coach Lee be angry with Alive? I don't see where Fnatic is responsible...
The korean article states that he want to take legal actions against aLive not Fnatic. However Coach Lee seems to be under the understanding that aLive breached his contract due to fnatic (which might be true, since fnatic said they were in contact with him). But yes you are right, Fnatic are very likely innocent in this drama.
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On January 18 2012 22:00 ReboundEU wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:58 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:54 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:53 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:50 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:48 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:45 Keeler wrote:Maybe EG should give fnatic some pointers on dealing with TSL Actually, I dont think so. Fnatic recruited Rain from TSL last spring, there wasnt any drama then. So Idk this is just weird. I think aLive messed up. Because Fnatic and TSL were on good terms after Rain transaction, the Fnatic players even lived in the TSL house a couple of weeks ago. Something has gone terribley wrong, and the community doesnt know jack shit and we're just created retarded drama out of things we dont know about. No....Lee created a retarded drama by making a shady internal drama public....we are growing the drama..but not started it. He has every right to take it to the court. aLive was under contract. there's nothing shady about it. Court is one thing.....a public news is another thing. Shaidy is that TSL is the only team on this planet that has so many issues with it's players....repetitive. And yes u are right..he has the right to take it to Court....ofc. The fact that he might lose is another. Well unlike Europe, esports is actually a real job in Korea EG members have base salaries to witch they add their contest wins and are contract signed....isn't it the same thing?
I meant from a cultural aspect, beeing an esporter is not culturaly accepted as a legit job in the western world. It is in Korea.
2nd is that most western players work in unreported deployment (i think that¨s what it's called in english), so the organizations can skip taxes etc. So most of them are legally "unemployed".
(this is at least the case of Fnatic and SK, idk about EG).
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On January 18 2012 21:51 ThaSlayer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:03 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2012 20:50 BluePanther wrote:
I think Mr. Lee needs to take some Western Business classes..... He's obviously missing something. I'm not saying he's wrong, but this has happened way too many times to simply be him just being a victim. He does seem to be the only one whining about players being signed to other teams. Wasn't he also involved with the whole Fruitdealer thing where TSL was receiving money for sponsors, but the fruitdealer was not? From what we heard after the Puma issue, it sounded like Puma a verbal contract and was not paid(beyond room and board). I don't know if he takes his players for granted or will not speak with other teams about signing players. The first time I was willing to listen, the second I questions what is going on. If there is a third time, I am going to say that coach Lee might be expecting unreasonable things. Edit: spelling Fruitdealer and Tester were proven to be lying. They did receive payments but refused to turn up for practice.
thats a pretty faulty summary for a fairly complicated situation as well. Yes Fruitdealer and Tester were not pure as snow, but Coach Lee wasn't an angel either.
Frankly in the previous two instances of Coach Lee going public he was either missleading in his statements or flat out wrong (The Puma drama and the FD/Tester situation). So no with that track record behind him, i am not going to take his word if he is contradicted by someone who doesn't have such a shady background in their buisness dealing.
Ps: To the people trying to lecture us that "of course" a contract means they cannot leave, no that is not correct. Most contracts either detail how they can leave, or assign penalties regarding what happens if they leave without proper procedure. We don't know the details (as seems to be the case quite often) regarding this specific contract, hell we don't even truly know what exactly happened.
All we know so far is that alive moved out of his team house and doesn't represent TSL anymore and Coach Lee is pissed and considering legal action.
If aLive broke his contract he will most certainly regret it, but there is no reason for Coach Lee to jump on the drama wagon and make a mess of the situation.
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On January 18 2012 21:43 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:31 Oreo7 wrote:On January 18 2012 21:17 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:11 xBillehx wrote:
It's always TSL saying something, people trashing them on it when the other side makes the issue fuzzy, and then when it turns out Coach Lee was right those people either shift defenses or silently wait for the next time to repeat the cycle.
People called Coach Lee a liar when he said Puma got poached, when it turned out EG really went after him they shifted to the no contract defense.
People called Coach Lee a liar when Fruitdealer/Trickster left claiming they didn't get paid, s2con expelled him and when it turned out he was right by providing bank statements everyone felt stupid and retracted accusations.
People are calling Coach Lee a liar again here when he says alive broke the contract Lee learned to make after issue #1 and left the team to join fnatic after being convinced by (or misunderstanding?) their translator.
It's kind of weird. Seems u don't know anything about how the EG/TSL incident took place.... and the explenations given and confirmed No...EG went after Puma without talking to Coach Lee first. Feel bad for TSL. All the angry reactionary knee jerkers are effectively saying "Coach Lee?! Yeah, I've read that name twice before in TL's community news. FUCK that guy, he causes so much drama." Sad. I think the real victim here is Alive, lead along by a member of Fnatic etc. So no one can speak to a player of another team before talking to their manager? Contract or not, how stupid is that? Obviously you will talk to a player to see if he is interested before going to their coach for negotiations. If there is no contract, there is not even a need for negotiations with their coach. There was no contract. That's how business and contract work. I don't think that there is a clause in their contract saying "YOU CAN'T TALK TO MANAGER FROM OTHER TEAM AND YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT LEAVING WITHOUT ME, COACH LEE' AGREEING BEFORE HAND." Some people are overreacting, like ever. Exactly like Coach Lee, actually... there is no fucking need to bring that to the community to create drama. What does he expect? Sympathy? Help? He is just trying to hurt Fnatic. He should grow up and try to resolve is own issue himself, like other team manager.
No, thats how business works in the Western world. And as it was EG approaching TSL, they should have respected the Korean way of doing things. But they didn't.
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On January 18 2012 22:04 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 22:00 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:58 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:54 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:53 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:50 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:48 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:45 Keeler wrote:Maybe EG should give fnatic some pointers on dealing with TSL Actually, I dont think so. Fnatic recruited Rain from TSL last spring, there wasnt any drama then. So Idk this is just weird. I think aLive messed up. Because Fnatic and TSL were on good terms after Rain transaction, the Fnatic players even lived in the TSL house a couple of weeks ago. Something has gone terribley wrong, and the community doesnt know jack shit and we're just created retarded drama out of things we dont know about. No....Lee created a retarded drama by making a shady internal drama public....we are growing the drama..but not started it. He has every right to take it to the court. aLive was under contract. there's nothing shady about it. Court is one thing.....a public news is another thing. Shaidy is that TSL is the only team on this planet that has so many issues with it's players....repetitive. And yes u are right..he has the right to take it to Court....ofc. The fact that he might lose is another. Well unlike Europe, esports is actually a real job in Korea EG members have base salaries to witch they add their contest wins and are contract signed....isn't it the same thing? I meant from a cultural aspect, beeing an esporter is not culturaly accepted as a legit job in the western world. It is in Korea. 2nd is that most western players work in unreported deployment (i think that¨s what it's called in english), so the organizations can skip taxes etc. So most of them are legally "unemployed". (this is at least the case of Fnatic and SK, idk about EG).
U might be right can't deny that, but the profesionalism level is the same however u look at it. The fact that certain goverments have yet to accept esports as a job is something that can be debated somewere else, but from a profesionalism and implication of the players point of view we are atleast on the same level as KR...atleast it should be...some teams like EG, Fnatic, CoL, SK that have alot of history behind them certenally take esports as a real job even if it's legal or not..and that's what matters on the long run + back on topic, even if it's not a real job outside korea, contracts are still real and very much respected.
So the fact that in KR esports is a job, how does it influence this story, or even courts in general? we can do the same at any given point in time. I think it's JUST related to a cultural thing..nothing else...witch i think they throw in any discussion like it's a shield. Whatever noob thing they do...they just say "it's cultural" and expect everyone to go "ooo...ok..why didn't u say so"...things don't work like that when matters become international. However "cultural" it might be, things should meet in the middle....don't expect 1 side to accept everything u say or do...because that simply doesn't work on a long run.
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On January 18 2012 21:58 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:54 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:53 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:50 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:48 Eee wrote:On January 18 2012 21:45 Keeler wrote:Maybe EG should give fnatic some pointers on dealing with TSL Actually, I dont think so. Fnatic recruited Rain from TSL last spring, there wasnt any drama then. So Idk this is just weird. I think aLive messed up. Because Fnatic and TSL were on good terms after Rain transaction, the Fnatic players even lived in the TSL house a couple of weeks ago. Something has gone terribley wrong, and the community doesnt know jack shit and we're just created retarded drama out of things we dont know about. No....Lee created a retarded drama by making a shady internal drama public....we are growing the drama..but not started it. He has every right to take it to the court. aLive was under contract. there's nothing shady about it. Court is one thing.....a public news is another thing. Shaidy is that TSL is the only team on this planet that has so many issues with it's players....repetitive. And yes u are right..he has the right to take it to Court....ofc. The fact that he might lose is another. Well unlike Europe, esports is actually a real job in Korea
Possibly the most ignorant statement I have read today, and that's saying something.
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On January 18 2012 22:07 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:43 Xalorian wrote:On January 18 2012 21:31 Oreo7 wrote:On January 18 2012 21:17 ReboundEU wrote:On January 18 2012 21:11 xBillehx wrote:
It's always TSL saying something, people trashing them on it when the other side makes the issue fuzzy, and then when it turns out Coach Lee was right those people either shift defenses or silently wait for the next time to repeat the cycle.
People called Coach Lee a liar when he said Puma got poached, when it turned out EG really went after him they shifted to the no contract defense.
People called Coach Lee a liar when Fruitdealer/Trickster left claiming they didn't get paid, s2con expelled him and when it turned out he was right by providing bank statements everyone felt stupid and retracted accusations.
People are calling Coach Lee a liar again here when he says alive broke the contract Lee learned to make after issue #1 and left the team to join fnatic after being convinced by (or misunderstanding?) their translator.
It's kind of weird. Seems u don't know anything about how the EG/TSL incident took place.... and the explenations given and confirmed No...EG went after Puma without talking to Coach Lee first. Feel bad for TSL. All the angry reactionary knee jerkers are effectively saying "Coach Lee?! Yeah, I've read that name twice before in TL's community news. FUCK that guy, he causes so much drama." Sad. I think the real victim here is Alive, lead along by a member of Fnatic etc. So no one can speak to a player of another team before talking to their manager? Contract or not, how stupid is that? Obviously you will talk to a player to see if he is interested before going to their coach for negotiations. If there is no contract, there is not even a need for negotiations with their coach. There was no contract. That's how business and contract work. I don't think that there is a clause in their contract saying "YOU CAN'T TALK TO MANAGER FROM OTHER TEAM AND YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT LEAVING WITHOUT ME, COACH LEE' AGREEING BEFORE HAND." Some people are overreacting, like ever. Exactly like Coach Lee, actually... there is no fucking need to bring that to the community to create drama. What does he expect? Sympathy? Help? He is just trying to hurt Fnatic. He should grow up and try to resolve is own issue himself, like other team manager. No, thats how business works in the Western world. And as it was EG approaching TSL, they should have respected the Korean way of doing things. But they didn't.
Actually they did, as Puma told them he was so close with the coach that he wanted to talk to him first... at least afaik..
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There has to be something wrong with the way coach Lee manages his team, there is a reason for all these guys leaving the team (Killer, trickster, puma, fruitdealer, Rain, Clide, JYP, now aLive...) it's not just "bad luck"
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On January 18 2012 22:07 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:51 ThaSlayer wrote:On January 18 2012 21:03 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2012 20:50 BluePanther wrote:
I think Mr. Lee needs to take some Western Business classes..... He's obviously missing something. I'm not saying he's wrong, but this has happened way too many times to simply be him just being a victim. He does seem to be the only one whining about players being signed to other teams. Wasn't he also involved with the whole Fruitdealer thing where TSL was receiving money for sponsors, but the fruitdealer was not? From what we heard after the Puma issue, it sounded like Puma a verbal contract and was not paid(beyond room and board). I don't know if he takes his players for granted or will not speak with other teams about signing players. The first time I was willing to listen, the second I questions what is going on. If there is a third time, I am going to say that coach Lee might be expecting unreasonable things. Edit: spelling Fruitdealer and Tester were proven to be lying. They did receive payments but refused to turn up for practice. thats a pretty faulty summary for a fairly complicated situation as well. Yes Fruitdealer and Tester were not pure as snow, but Coach Lee wasn't an angel either. Frankly in the previous two instances of Coach Lee going public he was either missleading in his statements or flat out wrong (The Puma drama and the FD/Tester situation). So no with that track record behind him, i am not going to take his word if he is contradicted by someone who doesn't have such a shady background in their buisness dealing. Ps: To the people trying to lecture us that "of course" a contract means they cannot leave, no that is not correct. Most contracts either detail how they can leave, or assign penalties regarding what happens if they leave without proper procedure. We don't know the details (as seems to be the case quite often) regarding this specific contract, hell we don't even truly know what exactly happened. All we know so far is that alive moved out of his team house and doesn't represent TSL anymore and Coach Lee is pissed and considering legal action. If aLive broke his contract he will most certainly regret it, but there is no reason for Coach Lee to jump on the drama wagon and make a mess of the situation.
I think Coach Lees logic behind the FD/TesteR drama was right.
FD and TesteR are his employees, they are supposed to work x ammount of hours every weekday. But if they dont even show up to the workplace he doesn't have any obligations of paying them their salary. Even if Coach Lee didnt pay them, he was 110% right in not paying them.
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