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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
shaaw
Profile Joined April 2010
Spain97 Posts
January 18 2012 11:59 GMT
#581
I dont know what's wrong with coach lee and TSL but this is not the first time, and its only happend to them...No other team has complained about a team stealing their players... Maybe they are scared of foreigners...
Detwiler
Profile Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
January 18 2012 12:00 GMT
#582
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice.. Fool me... Well if you get fooled once you cant get fooled again.

Damn coach Lee even G Dubya had this figured out.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 12:04:50
January 18 2012 12:03 GMT
#583
On January 18 2012 20:50 BluePanther wrote:
I think Mr. Lee needs to take some Western Business classes..... He's obviously missing something. I'm not saying he's wrong, but this has happened way too many times to simply be him just being a victim.


He does seem to be the only one whining about players being signed to other teams. Wasn't he also involved with the whole Fruitdealer thing where TSL was receiving money for sponsors, but the fruitdealer was not?

From what we heard after the Puma issue, it sounded like Puma a verbal contract and was not paid(beyond room and board). I don't know if he takes his players for granted or will not speak with other teams about signing players. The first time I was willing to listen, the second I questions what is going on. If there is a third time, I am going to say that coach Lee might be expecting unreasonable things.

Edit: spelling
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 18 2012 12:06 GMT
#584
Something really must be wrong with how TSL/Lee handle things, it just seems nonsensical that it's always just TSL that gets players stolen by 'evil' foreign teams (at least EG is Evil)

But at least the gave alive a contract, guess they learned something....
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 18 2012 12:06 GMT
#585
On January 18 2012 21:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 20:50 BluePanther wrote:
I think Mr. Lee needs to take some Western Business classes..... He's obviously missing something. I'm not saying he's wrong, but this has happened way too many times to simply be him just being a victim.


He does seem to be the only one whining about players being signed to other teams. Wasn't he also involved with the whole Fruitdealer thing where TSL was receiving money for sponsors, but the fruitdealer was not?

From what we heard after the Puma issue, it sounded like Puma a verbal contract and was not paid(beyond room and board). I don't know if he takes is player for granted or will not speak with other teams about signing players. The first time I was willing to listen, the second I questions what is going on. If there is a third time, I am going to say that coach Lee might be expecting unreasonable things.

However the fruitdealer issue wasn't true, sc2con find out FD and TesteR were lying so they were let back in to sc2con.
Puma was paid (he was the team captain) but he wasn't contracted (cultural aspect in Korea).
This is pretty much the same thing as Puma situation, the diffrence is that aLive is under contract.
Demidyne
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States110 Posts
January 18 2012 12:07 GMT
#586
Coach Lee is a serial passive aggressive muck-slinger, how many more times do we have to put up with his finger-pointing and the face-saving / nice guy parades he puts on after each incident? This guy is at the heart of so much drama and he's the only constant, be glad when he is gone. He ALWAYS settles his issues by airing them to the public,playing the victim, and taking umbrage and it's total transparent BS.
He saw how civilized men behave, he never forgot and he never forgave.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 18 2012 12:09 GMT
#587
On January 18 2012 21:07 Demidyne wrote:
Coach Lee is a serial passive aggressive muck-slinger, how many more times do we have to put up with his finger-pointing and the face-saving / nice guy parades he puts on after each incident? This guy is at the heart of so much drama and he's the only constant, be glad when he is gone. He ALWAYS settles his issues by airing them to the public,playing the victim, and taking umbrage and it's total transparent BS.

The only time this has happened was when Puma got contracted by EG. stop the bs.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
January 18 2012 12:10 GMT
#588
Can we stop listening to TSL? Their delirious ranting about every player who leaves their team is fucking moronic -- on a good day.
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xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 12:14:35
January 18 2012 12:11 GMT
#589
It's always TSL saying something, people trashing them on it when the other side makes the issue fuzzy, and then when it turns out Coach Lee was right those people either shift defenses or silently wait for the next time to repeat the cycle.

People called Coach Lee a liar when he said Puma got poached, when it turned out EG really went after him they shifted to the no contract defense.
People called Coach Lee a liar when Fruitdealer/Trickster left claiming they didn't get paid, s2con expelled him and when it turned out he was right by providing bank statements everyone felt stupid and retracted accusations.
People are calling Coach Lee a liar again here when he says alive broke the contract Lee learned to make after issue #1 and left the team to join fnatic after being convinced by (or misunderstanding?) their translator.

It's kind of weird.
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Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 12:15:15
January 18 2012 12:14 GMT
#590
On January 18 2012 21:11 xBillehx wrote:
It's always TSL saying something, people trashing them on it when the other side makes the issue fuzzy, and then when it turns out Coach Lee was right those people either shift defense or silently wait for the next time to repeat the cycle.

People called Coach Lee a liar when he said Puma got poached, when it turned out EG really went after him they shifted to the no contract defense.
People called Coach Lee a liar when Fruitdealer/Trickster left claiming they didn't get paid, s2con expelled him and when it turned out he was right by providing bank statements everyone felt stupid and retracted accusations.
People are calling Coach Lee a liar again here when he says alive broke the contract Lee learned to make after issue #1 and left the team to join fnatic after being convinced by (or misunderstanding?) their translator.

It's kind of weird.


Coach Lee turned out to be the jackass in the Puma situation, if I do say so myself. Crying bloody-murder to the Korean press after Puma and Lee had a talk about it, and EG was preparing to offer them compensation but never got the chance.

I'll see you in a week when the truth about Lee comes out -- again.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 18 2012 12:15 GMT
#591
On January 18 2012 21:06 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 21:03 Plansix wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:50 BluePanther wrote:
I think Mr. Lee needs to take some Western Business classes..... He's obviously missing something. I'm not saying he's wrong, but this has happened way too many times to simply be him just being a victim.


He does seem to be the only one whining about players being signed to other teams. Wasn't he also involved with the whole Fruitdealer thing where TSL was receiving money for sponsors, but the fruitdealer was not?

From what we heard after the Puma issue, it sounded like Puma a verbal contract and was not paid(beyond room and board). I don't know if he takes is player for granted or will not speak with other teams about signing players. The first time I was willing to listen, the second I questions what is going on. If there is a third time, I am going to say that coach Lee might be expecting unreasonable things.

However the fruitdealer issue wasn't true, sc2con find out FD and TesteR were lying so they were let back in to sc2con.
Puma was paid (he was the team captain) but he wasn't contracted (cultural aspect in Korea).
This is pretty much the same thing as Puma situation, the diffrence is that aLive is under contract.


Well contracts can be broken, depending on how they are written. A buy out is also an option and it is normally the best for all parties, unless coach Lee wants to make sure aLive can play for no one but TSL(a super jerk move if there are other options, IMO).

I wish he would handle this crap in private, rather going nuclear every time he loses a player. He does not need to go to the public and media every time TSL is "wronged". It seems like a bad way to handle it and with the great relationship other teams have (Slayers-EG, oGs-Liquid) it makes me wonder. I don't think Coach Lee is a bad guy, but there is a lot of drama surrounding his team.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 18 2012 12:16 GMT
#592
On January 18 2012 21:10 Chargelot wrote:
Can we stop listening to TSL? Their delirious ranting about every player who leaves their team is fucking moronic -- on a good day.


Except you're wrong and TSL were right in both the Trickster/FD and Puma drama.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
January 18 2012 12:17 GMT
#593
On January 18 2012 21:11 xBillehx wrote:
It's always TSL saying something, people trashing them on it when the other side makes the issue fuzzy, and then when it turns out Coach Lee was right those people either shift defenses or silently wait for the next time to repeat the cycle.

People called Coach Lee a liar when he said Puma got poached, when it turned out EG really went after him they shifted to the no contract defense.
People called Coach Lee a liar when Fruitdealer/Trickster left claiming they didn't get paid, s2con expelled him and when it turned out he was right by providing bank statements everyone felt stupid and retracted accusations.
People are calling Coach Lee a liar again here when he says alive broke the contract Lee learned to make after issue #1 and left the team to join fnatic after being convinced by (or misunderstanding?) their translator.

It's kind of weird.


Seems u don't know anything about how the EG/TSL incident took place.... and the explenations given and confirmed
U MAD BRO?
Xalorian
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada433 Posts
January 18 2012 12:18 GMT
#594
WTF is with this, anyway? So you can't talk to a player from another team, except if you talked to their team manager first? It's bullshit. Do you need to talk to the boss of someone before offering him a better job nowaday? That's completly retarded. You go to him, you offer him a spot in your team... and if he is interested, then you go discuss contract business with his manager. Logical step.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
January 18 2012 12:19 GMT
#595
On January 18 2012 20:28 aderum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 20:26 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL.

If a player is under contract he can only leave because of following:
1) contract expires
2) someone buys him out of the contract
3) management decides to release him.

None of these 3 happened, but he still left the team. thereby he breached his contact.


And you know this how? You know they didnt have any clauses or something that made it so he can leave?


Thats like the whole point of a contract. Like all of it. Of all contracts. Everywhere. Forever.
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ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 12:25:23
January 18 2012 12:24 GMT
#596
On January 18 2012 21:19 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 20:28 aderum wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:26 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL.

If a player is under contract he can only leave because of following:
1) contract expires
2) someone buys him out of the contract
3) management decides to release him.

None of these 3 happened, but he still left the team. thereby he breached his contact.


And you know this how? You know they didnt have any clauses or something that made it so he can leave?


Thats like the whole point of a contract. Like all of it. Of all contracts. Everywhere. Forever.


In a live interview with Alex Garfield, the situation they went through was detailed on LO3, and it was never commented by TSL. That means that they indirectly approve of what he said...otherwise they would come out and say "no it wasn't like that". Details about contracts may not be known...but the way things went...and why the fictional conflict was started by Lee was said and indirectly approved.
U MAD BRO?
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
January 18 2012 12:25 GMT
#597
wait did I miss a thread where aLive was picked up by fnatic? the move didn't even occur right? why is coach lee so eager to accuse and cause drama? I'm really sad for TSL, but fnatic didn't really do anything it appears
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Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
January 18 2012 12:26 GMT
#598
On January 18 2012 21:14 Chargelot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 21:11 xBillehx wrote:
It's always TSL saying something, people trashing them on it when the other side makes the issue fuzzy, and then when it turns out Coach Lee was right those people either shift defense or silently wait for the next time to repeat the cycle.

People called Coach Lee a liar when he said Puma got poached, when it turned out EG really went after him they shifted to the no contract defense.
People called Coach Lee a liar when Fruitdealer/Trickster left claiming they didn't get paid, s2con expelled him and when it turned out he was right by providing bank statements everyone felt stupid and retracted accusations.
People are calling Coach Lee a liar again here when he says alive broke the contract Lee learned to make after issue #1 and left the team to join fnatic after being convinced by (or misunderstanding?) their translator.

It's kind of weird.


Coach Lee turned out to be the jackass in the Puma situation, if I do say so myself. Crying bloody-murder to the Korean press after Puma and Lee had a talk about it, and EG was preparing to offer them compensation but never got the chance.

I'll see you in a week when the truth about Lee comes out -- again.


Yeah I don't see how Lee can still be given the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 18 2012 12:28 GMT
#599
Coach Lee needs to stop being a cry baby just because players don't want to be on his team. Seriously, it can't possibly be that tons of teams are actively cooperating to bring TSL down, the issues must be coming from within.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 18 2012 12:29 GMT
#600
On January 18 2012 21:24 ReboundEU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 21:19 Medrea wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:28 aderum wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:26 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL.

If a player is under contract he can only leave because of following:
1) contract expires
2) someone buys him out of the contract
3) management decides to release him.

None of these 3 happened, but he still left the team. thereby he breached his contact.


And you know this how? You know they didnt have any clauses or something that made it so he can leave?


Thats like the whole point of a contract. Like all of it. Of all contracts. Everywhere. Forever.


In a live interview with Alex Garfield, the situation they went through was detailed on LO3, and it was never commented by TSL. That means that they indirectly approve of what he said...otherwise they would come out and say "no it wasn't like that". Details about contracts may not be known...but the way things went...and why the fictional conflict was started by Lee was said and indirectly approved.

They (TSL) did not have contracts back then, they got contracts after the EG-Puma drama.
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