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shaaw
Spain97 Posts
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Detwiler
United States239 Posts
Damn coach Lee even G Dubya had this figured out. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 18 2012 20:50 BluePanther wrote: I think Mr. Lee needs to take some Western Business classes..... He's obviously missing something. I'm not saying he's wrong, but this has happened way too many times to simply be him just being a victim. He does seem to be the only one whining about players being signed to other teams. Wasn't he also involved with the whole Fruitdealer thing where TSL was receiving money for sponsors, but the fruitdealer was not? From what we heard after the Puma issue, it sounded like Puma a verbal contract and was not paid(beyond room and board). I don't know if he takes his players for granted or will not speak with other teams about signing players. The first time I was willing to listen, the second I questions what is going on. If there is a third time, I am going to say that coach Lee might be expecting unreasonable things. Edit: spelling | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
But at least the gave alive a contract, guess they learned something.... | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:03 Plansix wrote: He does seem to be the only one whining about players being signed to other teams. Wasn't he also involved with the whole Fruitdealer thing where TSL was receiving money for sponsors, but the fruitdealer was not? From what we heard after the Puma issue, it sounded like Puma a verbal contract and was not paid(beyond room and board). I don't know if he takes is player for granted or will not speak with other teams about signing players. The first time I was willing to listen, the second I questions what is going on. If there is a third time, I am going to say that coach Lee might be expecting unreasonable things. However the fruitdealer issue wasn't true, sc2con find out FD and TesteR were lying so they were let back in to sc2con. Puma was paid (he was the team captain) but he wasn't contracted (cultural aspect in Korea). This is pretty much the same thing as Puma situation, the diffrence is that aLive is under contract. | ||
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Demidyne
United States110 Posts
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:07 Demidyne wrote: Coach Lee is a serial passive aggressive muck-slinger, how many more times do we have to put up with his finger-pointing and the face-saving / nice guy parades he puts on after each incident? This guy is at the heart of so much drama and he's the only constant, be glad when he is gone. He ALWAYS settles his issues by airing them to the public,playing the victim, and taking umbrage and it's total transparent BS. The only time this has happened was when Puma got contracted by EG. stop the bs. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
People called Coach Lee a liar when he said Puma got poached, when it turned out EG really went after him they shifted to the no contract defense. People called Coach Lee a liar when Fruitdealer/Trickster left claiming they didn't get paid, s2con expelled him and when it turned out he was right by providing bank statements everyone felt stupid and retracted accusations. People are calling Coach Lee a liar again here when he says alive broke the contract Lee learned to make after issue #1 and left the team to join fnatic after being convinced by (or misunderstanding?) their translator. It's kind of weird. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:11 xBillehx wrote: It's always TSL saying something, people trashing them on it when the other side makes the issue fuzzy, and then when it turns out Coach Lee was right those people either shift defense or silently wait for the next time to repeat the cycle. People called Coach Lee a liar when he said Puma got poached, when it turned out EG really went after him they shifted to the no contract defense. People called Coach Lee a liar when Fruitdealer/Trickster left claiming they didn't get paid, s2con expelled him and when it turned out he was right by providing bank statements everyone felt stupid and retracted accusations. People are calling Coach Lee a liar again here when he says alive broke the contract Lee learned to make after issue #1 and left the team to join fnatic after being convinced by (or misunderstanding?) their translator. It's kind of weird. Coach Lee turned out to be the jackass in the Puma situation, if I do say so myself. Crying bloody-murder to the Korean press after Puma and Lee had a talk about it, and EG was preparing to offer them compensation but never got the chance. I'll see you in a week when the truth about Lee comes out -- again. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:06 Eee wrote: However the fruitdealer issue wasn't true, sc2con find out FD and TesteR were lying so they were let back in to sc2con. Puma was paid (he was the team captain) but he wasn't contracted (cultural aspect in Korea). This is pretty much the same thing as Puma situation, the diffrence is that aLive is under contract. Well contracts can be broken, depending on how they are written. A buy out is also an option and it is normally the best for all parties, unless coach Lee wants to make sure aLive can play for no one but TSL(a super jerk move if there are other options, IMO). I wish he would handle this crap in private, rather going nuclear every time he loses a player. He does not need to go to the public and media every time TSL is "wronged". It seems like a bad way to handle it and with the great relationship other teams have (Slayers-EG, oGs-Liquid) it makes me wonder. I don't think Coach Lee is a bad guy, but there is a lot of drama surrounding his team. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:10 Chargelot wrote: Can we stop listening to TSL? Their delirious ranting about every player who leaves their team is fucking moronic -- on a good day. Except you're wrong and TSL were right in both the Trickster/FD and Puma drama. | ||
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ReboundEU
508 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:11 xBillehx wrote: It's always TSL saying something, people trashing them on it when the other side makes the issue fuzzy, and then when it turns out Coach Lee was right those people either shift defenses or silently wait for the next time to repeat the cycle. People called Coach Lee a liar when he said Puma got poached, when it turned out EG really went after him they shifted to the no contract defense. People called Coach Lee a liar when Fruitdealer/Trickster left claiming they didn't get paid, s2con expelled him and when it turned out he was right by providing bank statements everyone felt stupid and retracted accusations. People are calling Coach Lee a liar again here when he says alive broke the contract Lee learned to make after issue #1 and left the team to join fnatic after being convinced by (or misunderstanding?) their translator. It's kind of weird. Seems u don't know anything about how the EG/TSL incident took place.... and the explenations given and confirmed | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On January 18 2012 20:28 aderum wrote: And you know this how? You know they didnt have any clauses or something that made it so he can leave? Thats like the whole point of a contract. Like all of it. Of all contracts. Everywhere. Forever. | ||
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ReboundEU
508 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:19 Medrea wrote: Thats like the whole point of a contract. Like all of it. Of all contracts. Everywhere. Forever. In a live interview with Alex Garfield, the situation they went through was detailed on LO3, and it was never commented by TSL. That means that they indirectly approve of what he said...otherwise they would come out and say "no it wasn't like that". Details about contracts may not be known...but the way things went...and why the fictional conflict was started by Lee was said and indirectly approved. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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Venomsflame
United States613 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:14 Chargelot wrote: Coach Lee turned out to be the jackass in the Puma situation, if I do say so myself. Crying bloody-murder to the Korean press after Puma and Lee had a talk about it, and EG was preparing to offer them compensation but never got the chance. I'll see you in a week when the truth about Lee comes out -- again. Yeah I don't see how Lee can still be given the benefit of the doubt in these situations. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:24 ReboundEU wrote: In a live interview with Alex Garfield, the situation they went through was detailed on LO3, and it was never commented by TSL. That means that they indirectly approve of what he said...otherwise they would come out and say "no it wasn't like that". Details about contracts may not be known...but the way things went...and why the fictional conflict was started by Lee was said and indirectly approved. They (TSL) did not have contracts back then, they got contracts after the EG-Puma drama. | ||
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