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TSL claims Fnatic tampered with Alive, Fnatic denies

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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 15:45:19
January 18 2012 05:43 GMT
#1
Last updated: Jan 19th, 00:37 Korean Standard Time

Following a claim from Team SCV Life that Fnatic Life's Han "Alive" Lee Seok had been signed by Fnatic behind TSL management's back, a back and forth between the two sides has ensued. Though fnatic deny they acted inappropriately regarding the under-contract Alive, TSL continues to insist there was foul play.

In the first salvo, Coach Lee claimed through a Gamechosun.com article that Alive had left TSL to join Fnatic, with Fnatic going behind TSL management’s back and bypassing the appropriate channels. It would have been a similar situation to Evil Geniuses' acquisition of then TSL player Lee "Puma" Ho Jun after the NASL Season 1 Grand Finals, where Coach Lee expressed his displeasure at EG's supposedly backhanded approach.

In the article, coach Lee was quoted as saying "It seems he talked about transferring teams with Fnatic's translator. Fnatic is denying responsibility by saying it's something the translator did on his own, but that's nonsense. I'm angry that they didn't approach me officially, and went to the player directly." Coach Lee said he was considering taking legal measures, such as suing Alive for breach of contract.

However, Fnatic replied through an official statement that Alive had not in fact joined their team, and that they would not have approached him as they knew he was under contract. Fnatic mentioned that while Alive had in fact left the TSL house, it was for reasons unrelated to Fnatic. They acknowledged talk of a move to Fnatic between Alive and Fnatic translator Brian Hyun Choi, but only as part of an informal conversation between friends.

Coach Lee would speak to Gamechosun once again to make a counter-argument against Fnatic's statement. Through the new article, coach Lee claimed that Alive had talked with Fnatic translator Brian Choi and general manager Elroy Pinto while he was still living at the TSL team house. Lee claims that Alive did not talk to him about his departure from the team, and Fnatic consulted only Alive while discussing a possible move.

Though Coach Lee admitted that there was no official offer, he argued that Fnatic was aware of loopholes Alive was trying to exploit but stayed silent. According to Coach Lee, Alive and Brian Choi had talked about about a transfer free that might be required, and also found a method where Coach Lee could be bypassed by having Alive leave TSL officially, then join Fnatic.

Coach Lee offered both conciliatory and threatening comments towards Fnatic: "The player is most at fault, so I don't want relations with Fnatic to grow any worse... ...I haven't heard a single word of apology from Fnatic regarding the canceled partnership or this row with Alive. Also, they made an announcement that was completely untrue. If they continue to deny the truth and refuse to apologize, I am willing to come forth with evidence."

Regarding Alive, Coach lee stated "I feel very betrayed, but I hope this doesn't affect his play. I didn't want this to come out before his GSL games, so I'm a sorry it came to be this way... ...I've spent over 6,000,000 won on just his foreign tournament participation. That's how much I valued him as a player, so how could I let this issue pass over easily? It's like being in a nightmare."

Related to this issue was a tentative partnership between Fnatic and TSL that never came to light. According to Coach Lee, the partnership was almost a done deal, with only an official announcement left. Fnatic explained that they were indeed exploring a partnership with a Korean team, with TSL as a candidate. However, they decided that the cost was prohibitive and decided to pursue options.


Full statement from Fnatic:

From fnatic.com

The last few hours have created a lot of discussion on Fnatic, TSL, Coach Lee and aLive. Today Coach Lee announced that Fnatic have officially contracted aLive and as such we have already taken him in our roster. He has also spoken about how we approached him about a house share, somewhere for our players to train and we ended up stealing aLive from him. We feel it is only fair to share our side of the story as a lot of accusations have come up against Fnatic stealing players

The truth is that we had been talking to Coach Lee for a few months about potentially sharing his house and paying for the training and beds. Coach Lee had been most encouraging and enthusiastic with this idea and we fully respect his skills as a manager. It is also true that at this time we were approached by other Korean teams who had expressed interest in working with us. Eventually we decided to not go ahead with a house sharing deal as it was too expensive and we realised we could maybe do things in a different way for 2012. We did not even finalize our terms.

aLive is a fantastic player and we admire his skill, aLive did chat to our translator - Brian Hyun Choi , who is his friend, never with a formal offer it was a casual conversation between two friends. It is important to note that we have not signed any contract with aLive as we know he has a contract with TSL. We are in fact very sad that things had to take a public recourse as communication between TSL and Fnatic had never broken down. It seems Mr Lee wants to close the door.

Furthermore aLive never decided to leave TSL for Fnatic he left the team house out of his own personal reasons with Coach Lee and those are not related to us, neither do we have any interest in knowing the reasons.

In conclusion we highly respect both Mr Lee and aLives talents, and from Fnatic's side we will strive to work for an amicable deal with Coach Lee.


Sources: Fnatic, Gamechosun 1, Gamechosun 2
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ContactKilla
Profile Joined December 2010
United States194 Posts
January 18 2012 05:45 GMT
#2
tsl is going to be gone here soon i know it
kineSiS-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Korea (South)1068 Posts
January 18 2012 05:45 GMT
#3
Is there an actual contract that TSL has with Alive?
Phtes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States370 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 05:46:09
January 18 2012 05:45 GMT
#4
Why is it always only TSL having these supposed "backhanded" dealings done to there players?
I'm Your Phtes o.0 **SKT1 For Life!**
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
January 18 2012 05:46 GMT
#5
Wow this keeps happening to TSL lol T_T;;
on another note.. ALIVE IS SO GOOD @.@ if this happened fnatic would be unstoppable :O
@KawaiiRiceLighT
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 18 2012 05:46 GMT
#6
Can't have a week without drama! Gogogo, pitchforks!
Philipd122
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia776 Posts
January 18 2012 05:46 GMT
#7
Ouch. More unnecessary e-Sports drama T_T.

Just before the GSTL as well....TSL ain't looking too good this time around.
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Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
January 18 2012 05:46 GMT
#8
<_>

I wonder if the legitimacy of Coach Lee's claims will be ignored because this happened prior.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 05:47:44
January 18 2012 05:46 GMT
#9
TSL again

Seriously though a TSL-Fnatic partnership would have really been great, particularly with Coach Lee being very open to foreigners staying recently (Juan, Yoan) + the Moon acquisition. It's just really really sad for TSL.

No idea why it (sort of) only happens to them.
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Naded
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada174 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 05:47:16
January 18 2012 05:46 GMT
#10
Ah, pity TSL losing another player. T.T
Do not dissipate your competence by hebetudinous prodigality unless you subsequently lament an exiguous inadequacy.
MementoMori
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada419 Posts
January 18 2012 05:46 GMT
#11
Considering this is the second time this has happened and that it seems to offend coach Lee so much, he should probably take some steps with his team to make sure this doesn't happen again. After a while being offended doesn't really count for much.
for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
January 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#12
On January 18 2012 14:45 kineSiS- wrote:
Is there an actual contract that TSL has with Alive?


I think they signed contracts with the players after the Puma fiasco.
strexer
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States54 Posts
January 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#13
Oh god not again. I would predict that this will follow the Puma debacle, but we will see what happens.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#14
Hey guys......I told you so.
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Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
January 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#15
Same questions as last time: What did the contract say? Did it even exist?
EGM guides me
Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
January 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#16
Bummer, bad news on the KR/Western relations front. =(

I wonder what his contract status was at the time he signed with Fnatic.
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
January 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#17
God, not again -.-
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
January 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#18
how on earth can TSL be this badly mismanaged that they keep losing players like this so consistently
bigwig123
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
163 Posts
January 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#19
all these problems with tsl mabey they are just making excuses for losing good players and not being happy about it
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
January 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#20
sick life, at least TSL has a contract this time (dunno how much its worth or what they can do with it though).
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