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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
January 18 2012 10:52 GMT
#541
On January 18 2012 19:28 Cuddle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:24 Fionn wrote:
On January 18 2012 16:22 Cuddle wrote:
Great pick-up for Fnatic. Feels good that this silly korean cultural "rules" gets more blows by western teams. Hopefully it's all come crumbling down soon. Coach Lee needs to understand that contacting the player first is how it's done. If he ran a good business for his players, he wouldn't lose them.


ALIVE IS UNDER CONTRACT.

Can this be put in gigantic bold letters at the beginning of the thread?


aLive left the team! How is he under contract?


Perhaps he decided to breach it, hence the drama?
You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
MBH
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland796 Posts
January 18 2012 10:56 GMT
#542
Coach Lee should simply sign all his players in France, I hear those contracts are bullet-proof hehe...
pseudocalm
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada98 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 11:03:36
January 18 2012 10:56 GMT
#543
How many deserting players does it take before the community realizes something fishy and stupid is going on behind the veil of korean manner within TSL, either with coach Lee directly or the team's contracts? It's obvious that mass numbers of players now have become completely disenfranchised with their situation at the TSL house, and none of them are telling the whole truth of what really transpired even after they leave. The TSL story has the stench of a straight up bully who still strikes enough fear (or "respect" if you STILL buy into official statements made about coach lee) in his ex-players that they would rather glossily manner over the details of their reasons for leaving than come out with the lucid criticisms that one would expect especially considering this pattern has repeated itself over and over.


Also to clarify for those of you asking how he is under contract if he "left the team". Officially he had only actually left the team HOUSE. Most likely because of reasons related to what i said above, which to a coach like Lee, is considered high treason and breach of contract with the team. GSL has listed him as teamless so quickly probably by retaliatory request from coach Lee himself.
I'd put my sensor tower in her minimap
Dyspathy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States83 Posts
January 18 2012 10:58 GMT
#544
On January 18 2012 19:42 pookadin wrote:
Why are people hating on Coach Lee? Didn't this exact thing happen in the FruitDealer and Tester incident and eventually he was vindicated..

Put your pitchforks away and leave Mama Bear alone!


Probably because he has come out flinging poo in each incident so far. Even if he's been vindicated so far, I don't think that gives him the right to run media smear campaigns... It sure hasn't made anyone respect him more because TSL continues to bleed players!
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
January 18 2012 11:00 GMT
#545
Ahh just what er need more esports gossip hehe
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure. http://da.twitch.tv/sonic_eu
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
January 18 2012 11:00 GMT
#546
am i the one not getting it here or has half the posters in this thread not read the text?

why is everyone writing "tsl losing another player tt" when he didn't even sign with fanatic??? he omly left the teamhouse as i see it.
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 18 2012 11:01 GMT
#547
Well i guess the badguy today isn't neither coach lee nor fnatic. It's aLive.
Why?
aLive was under a contract, he can't leave the team without his contract either expiring, someone buying him out from it, or getting released by TSL management. So aLive left the team although he was on contract.

Secondly, I, personally, belive that Coach Lee wouldnt be saying anything like this if the player that has left didn't give this reasoning. So It might very well have been a misunderstanding from aLives side, and he told this too coach lee.

Thirdly, i feel very very sad for Coach Lee and the rest of TSL.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
January 18 2012 11:01 GMT
#548
Right now Alive is wearing a Blizzard Shirt in the GSL so i was like WTF he's not on TSL anymore?

And then i come here and find this thread wow damn i just found out. So Fnatic Poached alive? Or what
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
January 18 2012 11:03 GMT
#549
On January 18 2012 19:28 Cuddle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 16:24 Fionn wrote:
On January 18 2012 16:22 Cuddle wrote:
Great pick-up for Fnatic. Feels good that this silly korean cultural "rules" gets more blows by western teams. Hopefully it's all come crumbling down soon. Coach Lee needs to understand that contacting the player first is how it's done. If he ran a good business for his players, he wouldn't lose them.


ALIVE IS UNDER CONTRACT.

Can this be put in gigantic bold letters at the beginning of the thread?


aLive left the team! How is he under contract?


that is the crux of the problem. If he is under contract how can he simply leave? One would presume there are clauses that forbid him from leaving for a certain period of time (as long as his contract lasts).

Obviously we don't know every detail but there is clearly some sort of problem between TSL and alive.

Regardless of that though (because there isn't much we can say without further information) i am getting very tired of Coach Lee and his behaviour. Every time something happens to his team he has chosen to use the most unprofessional way possible to deal with it.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 18 2012 11:04 GMT
#550
On January 18 2012 20:01 XRaDiiX wrote:
Right now Alive is wearing a Blizzard Shirt in the GSL so i was like WTF he's not on TSL anymore?

And then i come here and find this thread wow damn i just found out. So Fnatic Poached alive? Or what

Nah, I think he trolled Coach Lee and misunderstanded Fnatic (or became overconfident that they would recruit him).
Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
January 18 2012 11:09 GMT
#551
The Korean articles says that Coach Lee is looking to sue Alive for contract violation, which I believe to be right move.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 18 2012 11:19 GMT
#552
On January 18 2012 20:09 Tanatos wrote:
The Korean articles says that Coach Lee is looking to sue Alive for contract violation, which I believe to be right move.

Yes, that is indeed the right move, The article should state this too, since many people are misunderstanding it as "suing fnatic".
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
January 18 2012 11:22 GMT
#553
Coach Lee seems like a nice guy but why all are "all" of his top players leaving him?
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Khanz
Profile Joined April 2010
France214 Posts
January 18 2012 11:23 GMT
#554
Last time i heard about Coach Lee and EG, his behavior saddened me.
Don't worry, zombies eat brains. You're safe
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
January 18 2012 11:23 GMT
#555
Pretty funny how its always ST that is getting poached. When it happens this much its getting kinda silly only blaming other all the time.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
January 18 2012 11:24 GMT
#556
That TSL guy seems to have to deal with alot of this..surprised he hasnt gone insane.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 18 2012 11:24 GMT
#557
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 18 2012 11:26 GMT
#558
On January 18 2012 20:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL.

If a player is under contract he can only leave because of following:
1) contract expires
2) someone buys him out of the contract
3) management decides to release him.

None of these 3 happened, but he still left the team. thereby he breached his contact.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
January 18 2012 11:26 GMT
#559
Wonder why TSL keeps having so much Drama =/.

Liquipedia says aLive has joined Fnatic :p
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
January 18 2012 11:27 GMT
#560
On January 18 2012 20:01 XRaDiiX wrote:
Right now Alive is wearing a Blizzard Shirt in the GSL so i was like WTF he's not on TSL anymore?

And then i come here and find this thread wow damn i just found out. So Fnatic Poached alive? Or what


Maybe you can spend a minute reading the OP and some of the pages?
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
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