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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
Bazzyrick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom361 Posts
January 18 2012 13:10 GMT
#641
TSL again. I cant help but feel that the TSL coach is bitter over his players leaving and wants to point the finger at whoever or whatever he can. If the partnership deal didnt go through with fnatic, or there is a potential future signing with Alive, then its a good excuse for Coach Lee to point his finger straight at them.

I wasn't sure who was telling the truth with Puma, but now I just don't care any more. I'll wait for the apologies and additional news releases to start clarifying this unnecessary drama.
You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
January 18 2012 13:14 GMT
#642
On January 18 2012 22:00 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 21:58 mprs wrote:
On January 18 2012 21:34 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 21:32 Devolved wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:26 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL.

If a player is under contract he can only leave because of following:
1) contract expires
2) someone buys him out of the contract
3) management decides to release him.

None of these 3 happened, but he still left the team. thereby he breached his contact.

Did he leave the team or team house? Is leaving the team house considered leaving the team? Is staying in the team house part of the contract? What caused him to leave the house? Was there verbal abuse going on? Are there stipulations in the contract that require a professional working environment at the team house and was that somehow being broken? There's a lot of situations where you can get out of a contract other than what you have listed and we don't know any of the details of the situation or the contract so what you say is pure speculation.

Both. He left after the fnatic guys stayed at the TSL house (ToD and Rain were staying there) and when they left he left too. He was then listed at teamless on goms website, changed his twitter name and right now at the very moment he is playing GSL as a teamless player.


So... shouldn't Coach Lee be angry with Alive? I don't see where Fnatic is responsible...

The korean article states that he want to take legal actions against aLive not Fnatic. However Coach Lee seems to be under the understanding that aLive breached his contract due to fnatic (which might be true, since fnatic said they were in contact with him). But yes you are right, Fnatic are very likely innocent in this drama.


That's what I feel like what happened too. It just seems highly unprofessional of Coach Lee to throw Fnatic's name under the bus until the story develops or we hear the full story.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
January 18 2012 13:14 GMT
#643
looks like TSL's response to fnatic's statement http://www.gamechosun.co.kr/article/view.php?no=85563
Someone in Korea needs to translate it
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 18 2012 13:15 GMT
#644
On January 18 2012 21:53 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 21:50 ReboundEU wrote:
On January 18 2012 21:48 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 21:45 Keeler wrote:
Maybe EG should give fnatic some pointers on dealing with TSL

Actually, I dont think so. Fnatic recruited Rain from TSL last spring, there wasnt any drama then. So Idk this is just weird. I think aLive messed up. Because Fnatic and TSL were on good terms after Rain transaction, the Fnatic players even lived in the TSL house a couple of weeks ago. Something has gone terribley wrong, and the community doesnt know jack shit and we're just created retarded drama out of things we dont know about.


No....Lee created a retarded drama by making a shady internal drama public....we are growing the drama..but not started it.

He has every right to take it to the court. aLive was under contract. there's nothing shady about it.


Then let him do so, i grow tired of him telling the world how bad other teams tend to be, either take it to court or keep it to yourself. Who are we supost to believe now ? If Lee is in his rights he should go to court, if he has nothing he should ask himself why do my players keep leaving me.
This is more then just "bad luck" I sereusly doubt Couch Lee is half as good as people claim him to be, all feel sorry for him when non knows what actualy happend.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 18 2012 13:18 GMT
#645
On January 18 2012 22:14 mprs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 22:00 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 21:58 mprs wrote:
On January 18 2012 21:34 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 21:32 Devolved wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:26 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL.

If a player is under contract he can only leave because of following:
1) contract expires
2) someone buys him out of the contract
3) management decides to release him.

None of these 3 happened, but he still left the team. thereby he breached his contact.

Did he leave the team or team house? Is leaving the team house considered leaving the team? Is staying in the team house part of the contract? What caused him to leave the house? Was there verbal abuse going on? Are there stipulations in the contract that require a professional working environment at the team house and was that somehow being broken? There's a lot of situations where you can get out of a contract other than what you have listed and we don't know any of the details of the situation or the contract so what you say is pure speculation.

Both. He left after the fnatic guys stayed at the TSL house (ToD and Rain were staying there) and when they left he left too. He was then listed at teamless on goms website, changed his twitter name and right now at the very moment he is playing GSL as a teamless player.


So... shouldn't Coach Lee be angry with Alive? I don't see where Fnatic is responsible...

The korean article states that he want to take legal actions against aLive not Fnatic. However Coach Lee seems to be under the understanding that aLive breached his contract due to fnatic (which might be true, since fnatic said they were in contact with him). But yes you are right, Fnatic are very likely innocent in this drama.


That's what I feel like what happened too. It just seems highly unprofessional of Coach Lee to throw Fnatic's name under the bus until the story develops or we hear the full story.

I think it can very well be misscommunication, maybe aLive said "I'm going fnatic" when he left or something. It seems this may be a huge case of misinterpretation from both aLive and TSL.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 18 2012 13:19 GMT
#646
On January 18 2012 22:14 Arceus wrote:
looks like TSL's response to fnatic's statement http://www.gamechosun.co.kr/article/view.php?no=85563
Someone in Korea needs to translate it

Is the site blocked for people outside of Korea?
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
January 18 2012 13:19 GMT
#647
On January 18 2012 22:19 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 22:14 Arceus wrote:
looks like TSL's response to fnatic's statement http://www.gamechosun.co.kr/article/view.php?no=85563
Someone in Korea needs to translate it

Is the site blocked for people outside of Korea?


Same..it's forbidden...not like i could read it haha
U MAD BRO?
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 13:21:58
January 18 2012 13:20 GMT
#648
On January 18 2012 22:19 ReboundEU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 22:19 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 22:14 Arceus wrote:
looks like TSL's response to fnatic's statement http://www.gamechosun.co.kr/article/view.php?no=85563
Someone in Korea needs to translate it

Is the site blocked for people outside of Korea?


Same..it's forbidden...not like i could read it haha

You can still get a small bit of understanding using google translate.
edit: ok managed to upon it through google
link:http://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamechosun.co.kr%2Farticle%2Fview.php%3Fno%3D85563
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 13:23:50
January 18 2012 13:22 GMT
#649
On January 18 2012 22:20 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 22:19 ReboundEU wrote:
On January 18 2012 22:19 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 22:14 Arceus wrote:
looks like TSL's response to fnatic's statement http://www.gamechosun.co.kr/article/view.php?no=85563
Someone in Korea needs to translate it

Is the site blocked for people outside of Korea?


Same..it's forbidden...not like i could read it haha

You can still get a small bit of understanding using google translate.


I tried that several times with some KR tweets..... let's say my universe imploded while trying to make something out of it ). If i use google translate i risk to live the same story between fnatic-alive-tsl translation =))

EDIT: tx for the translation link

one quote that made me giggle "general manager of the hostel" ...cool translation google =))
U MAD BRO?
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
January 18 2012 13:22 GMT
#650
On January 18 2012 15:10 NB wrote:
It looks like the translator in the question is sullyrabbit :O


No, it's not her... it's Brian Hyun Choi

aLive is a fantastic player and we admire his skill, aLive did chat to our translator - Brian Hyun Choi , who is his friend, never with a formal offer it was a casual conversation between two friends.


Source
Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
January 18 2012 13:26 GMT
#651
At least everybody in the scene has something to talk about...
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 18 2012 13:28 GMT
#652
Hopefully the article gets translated soon, didn't really understand much more than that Coach Lee is disapointed and something about the contract.
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 13:29:17
January 18 2012 13:29 GMT
#653
On January 18 2012 22:26 Serimek wrote:
At least everybody in the scene has something to talk about...


What do u mean? I bet u anything if i opened up a thread about a Puppy that wears an e-sport jacket..it would get atleast 100 posts ........... i kid i kid
U MAD BRO?
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
January 18 2012 13:29 GMT
#654
Yikes, I feel absolutely sorry for TSL. They've lost so many good players such as Rain, PuMa, Clide, SangHo, JYP and now aLive. I don't know whose side to take on this one because Fnatic certainly don't seem like the "evil empire" of esports.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
January 18 2012 13:33 GMT
#655
On January 18 2012 22:29 Clbull wrote:
Yikes, I feel absolutely sorry for TSL. They've lost so many good players such as Rain, PuMa, Clide, SangHo, JYP and now aLive. I don't know whose side to take on this one because Fnatic certainly don't seem like the "evil empire" of esports.


The moment all the decent players on TSL simply keeping running off to other teams, it might be reasonable to assume that there's something wrong within TSL itself.
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
January 18 2012 13:33 GMT
#656
What a shock, TSL being rude at near sociopathic levels and accusing people of mistreating them. Meanwhile another player is trying as hard as possible from to get away from Coach Lee. When are people going to see the writing on the wall and realize that this is not just coincidence. TSL keeps having these problems for a real reason.
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 18 2012 13:35 GMT
#657
On January 18 2012 20:26 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 20:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL.

If a player is under contract he can only leave because of following:
1) contract expires
2) someone buys him out of the contract
3) management decides to release him.

None of these 3 happened, but he still left the team. thereby he breached his contact.


Oh, then that is completely unrelated to the Fnatic story. Why did it come up only now?
Shouldn't this have become an issue the time he left the team?

Since news of him breaching his contract came along with the news of the accusations against Fnatic,
I thought he breached his contract by talking to another team or something along those lines.
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
January 18 2012 13:38 GMT
#658
On January 18 2012 14:45 Phtes wrote:
Why is it always only TSL having these supposed "backhanded" dealings done to there players?


becose maybe TSL has very strong players and becose coach lee put a lot of effort into team and wont ever agree with a sell of a player ? maybe ?
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
BasilForSkin
Profile Joined June 2011
United States115 Posts
January 18 2012 13:40 GMT
#659
I like how so many of you are accusing TSL of having some sort of internal problem, as if you know anything whatsoever. Stop accusing Coach Lee of wrong doing and allow things to work out before you pass judgement.
sup
zturchan
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada156 Posts
January 18 2012 13:42 GMT
#660
On January 18 2012 22:35 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 20:26 Eee wrote:
On January 18 2012 20:24 JustPassingBy wrote:
I would like to know in what way aLive "breached" his contract with TSL.

If a player is under contract he can only leave because of following:
1) contract expires
2) someone buys him out of the contract
3) management decides to release him.

None of these 3 happened, but he still left the team. thereby he breached his contact.


Oh, then that is completely unrelated to the Fnatic story. Why did it come up only now?
Shouldn't this have become an issue the time he left the team?

Since news of him breaching his contract came along with the news of the accusations against Fnatic,
I thought he breached his contract by talking to another team or something along those lines.


This only came out within the last day or so too. Hence no prior discussion.
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