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[ASL19] Pre-Season Breakdown

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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3117 Posts
March 19 2025 21:26 GMT
#5
So, all standard maps suck for Protoss, as they always do.
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2750 Posts
March 19 2025 22:00 GMT
#6
Looking forward to Death Valley!
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States725 Posts
March 19 2025 22:54 GMT
#7
Back when Queen was originally Zero, I didn't think too much of him as a player. When he became Queen, he started being really good. Since he's been changing his name again... I'm thinking he might have regressed in form.

The map analysis is very good. Thanks
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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
March 20 2025 00:02 GMT
#8
Great writeup, especially for Pole Star

I haven't really watched any Speed since last ASL, but I'm excited to see what he can do.
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 20 2025 02:01 GMT
#9
Thank you for the content! Great read as always!
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namkraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2021
527 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-20 03:24:01
March 20 2025 03:20 GMT
#10
Just to chime in with some map stats I picked up this month. All-time stats. Figures in brackets are number of games played. Sorry the images have transparent background hence the bad contrast.

Protoss vs Zerg
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Zerg vs. Terran
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Terran vs Protoss
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Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States365 Posts
March 20 2025 03:43 GMT
#11
Liquibets are up!!! HYPE. The historians are gonna be confused when they talk about the ASL missing season 18 in the future.

I think the only 1st seed I am voting against is Queen. He's good when he's good but he let me down in the bets last ASL. I really want Barracks to make it out again, but he's got a tough group. Some of these groups will be tricky to call for me, especially with what my heart would want.

Lmao @ the Pole Star call out. At least there's Fog in-game so we don't have to see it.
HolySmokes
Profile Joined December 2024
56 Posts
March 20 2025 04:43 GMT
#12
Snow and Bisu are going to make deep runs this season. Snow is clearly being coached by someone and Bisu is acting like a DT IRL, going completely undetected until he made an appearance. Snow on his A game is the best player in the scene at the moment, and if he can play at the level he is offline, he will show some great Protoss play.

And what about Bisu, the Protoss legend that sparked and never fulled. It's amazing a player of his caliber would never win a title other than MSL. Would Flash really be the only one from TBLS to win a title post Kespa? What form will he show this tournament? Will he be guided by this mysterious force that is driving Protoss innovation as well? The last time he took an absence like this actually, he did some amazing things in March...

Find out next time...starting 3/24...
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8526 Posts
March 20 2025 05:04 GMT
#13
HYPE !!!!!

Don't forget to vote !!!!!
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4235 Posts
March 20 2025 12:18 GMT
#14
On March 20 2025 07:00 Navane wrote:
Looking forward to Death Valley!

Good luck then, because you will not be seeing it much. If at all.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4235 Posts
March 20 2025 12:19 GMT
#15
Thanks for the writeup, btw! Solid as always
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red888pink
Profile Joined March 2025
1 Post
March 20 2025 13:50 GMT
#16
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10315 Posts
March 20 2025 18:29 GMT
#17
On March 20 2025 06:26 TMNT wrote:
So, all standard maps suck for Protoss, as they always do.

Pretty much. No clue what needs to be done to give Protoss more agency in these maps. More 2p and Apoc-like maps I guess.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1109 Posts
March 21 2025 01:06 GMT
#18
If Speed manage to get out of his group, somehow... And thats a big if. He will be seeded for ASL 20 mark my words :D
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1244 Posts
March 21 2025 21:14 GMT
#19
On March 21 2025 03:29 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2025 06:26 TMNT wrote:
So, all standard maps suck for Protoss, as they always do.

Pretty much. No clue what needs to be done to give Protoss more agency in these maps. More 2p and Apoc-like maps I guess.


Make them 50% against Zerg, that alone ensures they're also positioned ok against Terran.
Terran doesn't need any kind of help, they never did.

So basically easy to protect 3rd and gas rich 2nd and 3rd bases on all maps. Easy walls etc..

Example: Fighting Spirit bad, Polypoid good.

Normally, that would induce a bit of a disadvantage between Zerg against Terran but nowhere near the one Protoss has to face on "standard" maps.
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
March 22 2025 13:19 GMT
#20
Did Flash not attempted to qualify or something else prevented him from participating?
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8161 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-22 14:28:52
March 22 2025 14:27 GMT
#21
On March 22 2025 06:14 oxKnu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2025 03:29 FlaShFTW wrote:
On March 20 2025 06:26 TMNT wrote:
So, all standard maps suck for Protoss, as they always do.

Pretty much. No clue what needs to be done to give Protoss more agency in these maps. More 2p and Apoc-like maps I guess.


Make them 50% against Zerg, that alone ensures they're also positioned ok against Terran.
Terran doesn't need any kind of help, they never did.

So basically easy to protect 3rd and gas rich 2nd and 3rd bases on all maps. Easy walls etc..

Example: Fighting Spirit bad, Polypoid good.

Normally, that would induce a bit of a disadvantage between Zerg against Terran but nowhere near the one Protoss has to face on "standard" maps.


Maybe I'm wrong but aren't maps with "free" 3rds really good for PvZ also? God's Garden, Medusa, Return of the King...

edit - actually looking at map stats for god's garden it's really awful for protoss lol
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10315 Posts
March 23 2025 06:20 GMT
#22
On March 22 2025 23:27 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2025 06:14 oxKnu wrote:
On March 21 2025 03:29 FlaShFTW wrote:
On March 20 2025 06:26 TMNT wrote:
So, all standard maps suck for Protoss, as they always do.

Pretty much. No clue what needs to be done to give Protoss more agency in these maps. More 2p and Apoc-like maps I guess.


Make them 50% against Zerg, that alone ensures they're also positioned ok against Terran.
Terran doesn't need any kind of help, they never did.

So basically easy to protect 3rd and gas rich 2nd and 3rd bases on all maps. Easy walls etc..

Example: Fighting Spirit bad, Polypoid good.

Normally, that would induce a bit of a disadvantage between Zerg against Terran but nowhere near the one Protoss has to face on "standard" maps.


Maybe I'm wrong but aren't maps with "free" 3rds really good for PvZ also? God's Garden, Medusa, Return of the King...

edit - actually looking at map stats for god's garden it's really awful for protoss lol

Time to bring back (Wiki)Protoss Plains
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QRCode
Profile Joined December 2024
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-23 07:25:09
March 23 2025 07:23 GMT
#23
On March 22 2025 23:27 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2025 06:14 oxKnu wrote:
On March 21 2025 03:29 FlaShFTW wrote:
On March 20 2025 06:26 TMNT wrote:
So, all standard maps suck for Protoss, as they always do.

Pretty much. No clue what needs to be done to give Protoss more agency in these maps. More 2p and Apoc-like maps I guess.


Make them 50% against Zerg, that alone ensures they're also positioned ok against Terran.
Terran doesn't need any kind of help, they never did.

So basically easy to protect 3rd and gas rich 2nd and 3rd bases on all maps. Easy walls etc..

Example: Fighting Spirit bad, Polypoid good.

Normally, that would induce a bit of a disadvantage between Zerg against Terran but nowhere near the one Protoss has to face on "standard" maps.


Maybe I'm wrong but aren't maps with "free" 3rds really good for PvZ also? God's Garden, Medusa, Return of the King...

edit - actually looking at map stats for god's garden it's really awful for protoss lol


Free 3rds might help Zerg more than Protoss. It prevents Protoss from being aggressive with the third so Z doesn't have to make as many lings and delay tech. Protoss meta right now is focused on making Z spend lings early so they have to delay tech and P can keep up with smart zealot aggression and massing storms, then slowly winning battles and expanding.
Trogdor87
Profile Joined August 2024
6 Posts
March 23 2025 19:16 GMT
#24
Yo this is a great write up and gets me STOKED, great job folks!
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