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ReboundEU
508 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:40 BasilForSkin wrote: I like how so many of you are accusing TSL of having some sort of internal problem, as if you know anything whatsoever. Stop accusing Coach Lee of wrong doing and allow things to work out before you pass judgement.  ) | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:35 JustPassingBy wrote: Oh, then that is completely unrelated to the Fnatic story. Why did it come up only now? Shouldn't this have become an issue the time he left the team? Since news of him breaching his contract came along with the news of the accusations against Fnatic, I thought he breached his contract by talking to another team or something along those lines. He just left the team a couple of days ago. It was becoming official today since aLive had his GSL group today, and he was about to show up there without a TSL jacket. I think it's pretty logical that he released the statment today. | ||
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BasilForSkin
United States115 Posts
Wow, you sure got me. I'm not going to even bother trying to be sensible here, that would be outrageous! | ||
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emraaa
Germany505 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:40 BasilForSkin wrote: I like how so many of you are accusing TSL of having some sort of internal problem, as if you know anything whatsoever. Stop accusing Coach Lee of wrong doing and allow things to work out before you pass judgement. he should stop accusing fnatic .... | ||
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ReboundEU
508 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:44 BasilForSkin wrote: Wow, you sure got me. I'm not going to even bother trying to be sensible here, that would be outrageous! hahaha :D thumbs up m8 | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:40 BasilForSkin wrote: I like how so many of you are accusing TSL of having some sort of internal problem, as if you know anything whatsoever. Stop accusing Coach Lee of wrong doing and allow things to work out before you pass judgement. People are not saying they know, they assume or guess, based on what has happened this time and in the past. (Namely being that a few players left TSL out of their own will.) | ||
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
It's unusual for any Korean players or coaching to be so publicly accusatory or drama inducing in general. I would be curious to see what information and from whom triggered this accusation from coach Lee. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38256 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:48 MrCash wrote: It's unusual for any players or coaching to be so publicly accusatory or to drama inducing. I would be curious to see what information and from whom triggered this accusation from coach Lee. The Fnatic statement is pretty specific with its wording when it states there was no "formal offer". Following that up by saying there was a casual conversation between friends kind of leads to the idea that at some point at least the subject of money/teams was raised in aLive's conversations with the fnatic translator. | ||
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Escape
Canada306 Posts
Fool me twice, shame on me; | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:18 Xalorian wrote: WTF is with this, anyway? So you can't talk to a player from another team, except if you talked to their team manager first? It's bullshit. Do you need to talk to the boss of someone before offering him a better job nowaday? That's completly retarded. You go to him, you offer him a spot in your team... and if he is interested, then you go discuss contract business with his manager. Logical step. Completely wrong in normal competitive sports actually. Its not just like a normal job. The term is "tapping up" and refers to when you speak to a player with a view to persuading them to transfer without getting permission to do so from their current team. Its a huge problem sometimes with the likes of Barcelona and Manchester City accused of it lately. Arsenal were especially angry last summer over Barcelona's attempt to sign Fabregas. I'm pretty sure FIFA has rules against it, but SC2 doesn't have an equivilant body so its not "formally" against any rules (because there are none). However its extremely disrespectful to their current team. | ||
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ReboundEU
508 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:51 Asha` wrote: The Fnatic statement is pretty specific with its wording when it states there was no "formal offer". Following that up by saying there was a casual conversation between friends kind of leads to the idea that at some point at least the subject of money/teams was raised in aLive's conversations with the fnatic translator. What i don't like is that everyone blames Fnatic like they came with some shady offer. What if aLive asked his friend (the fnatic translator) about how things are over fnatic...how players are payed etc. What if he was the first to open up the discussion meaning that he was interested in joining fnatic, and the translator...simply answered his questions... | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:51 Lightspeaker wrote: Completely wrong in normal competitive sports actually. Its not just like a normal job. The term is "tapping up" and refers to when you speak to a player with a view to persuading them to transfer without getting permission to do so from their current team. Its a huge problem sometimes with the likes of Barcelona and Manchester City accused of it lately. Arsenal were especially angry last summer over Barcelona's attempt to sign Fabregas. I'm pretty sure FIFA has rules against it, but SC2 doesn't have an equivilant body so its not "formally" against any rules (because there are none). However its extremely disrespectful to their current team. i don't think Arsenal have the right to angry LOL | ||
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BasilForSkin
United States115 Posts
Perhaps he is right to accuse them. We don't know anything. He has a much better idea of what is going on, so again, people should wait for things to play out before passing judgement. I don't even know how to respond to this without getting banned. On January 18 2012 22:45 Junichi wrote: People are not saying they know, they assume or guess, based on what has happened this time and in the past. (Namely being that a few players left TSL out of their own will.) If we are giving out opinions based on previous events, then why would TSL be the one to blame here? They have come out as the victim pretty much every time a player has left and caused controversy after (that is, not with cases like JYP, Killer, or Clide because no actual drama happened with them). | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:51 Lightspeaker wrote: Completely wrong in normal competitive sports actually. Its not just like a normal job. The term is "tapping up" and refers to when you speak to a player with a view to persuading them to transfer without getting permission to do so from their current team. Its a huge problem sometimes with the likes of Barcelona and Manchester City accused of it lately. Arsenal were especially angry last summer over Barcelona's attempt to sign Fabregas. I'm pretty sure FIFA has rules against it, but SC2 doesn't have an equivilant body so its not "formally" against any rules (because there are none). However its extremely disrespectful to their current team. In football (soccer, to all americans ) teams are allowed to approach a player directly in the last half year before the contract expires. If they want to talk to the player before that period they have to first ask the other team if they are ok with them contacting the player. SC2 needs a regulating body to implement those kinds of rules imo, but on the other hand regulating institutions like KESPA and FIFA (can) have major drawbacks, as we all know. Edit: @BasilForSkin: I was just saying that people assume that there is something wrong within TSL because "many" players left the team voluntarily. At least that is how I read those posts. | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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emraaa
Germany505 Posts
Perhaps he is right to accuse them. We don't know anything. He has a much better idea of what is going on, so again, people should wait for things to play out before passing judgement. Perhabs we r right to accuse him. We know that fnatic didnt made an official offer. they have a much better idea of what is going on. | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:55 BasilForSkin wrote: Perhaps he is right to accuse them. We don't know anything. He has a much better idea of what is going on, so again, people should wait for things to play out before passing judgement. I don't even know how to respond to this without getting banned. If we are giving out opinions based on previous events, then why would TSL be the one to blame here? They have come out as the victim pretty much every time a player has left and caused controversy after (that is, not with cases like JYP, Killer, or Clide because no actual drama happened with them). I think the point is that we can all see that TSL has a lot of trouble keeping players on their roster, and Coach Lee is really good at causing drama. Thus people are becoming suspicious of TSL and Coach Lee. | ||
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BasilForSkin
United States115 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:59 emraaa wrote: Perhabs we ar right to accuse him. We know that fnatic didnt made an official offer. they have a much better idea of what is going on. But you aren't right in accusing him because we don't know anything. Of course we know what they are saying publicly, but not everything will be certain until everything is settled. | ||
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dib
95 Posts
my fnatic support officially ends now. i really hope aLive comes to his senses. | ||
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BasilForSkin
United States115 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:00 Proko wrote: I think the point is that we can all see that TSL has a lot of trouble keeping players on their roster, and Coach Lee is really good at causing drama. Thus people are becoming suspicious of TSL and Coach Lee. Really good at causing drama? He is trying to protect his team. If that means making public statements about people wrongdoing him and his team, then that shouldn't be considered a bad thing. | ||
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