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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it. | ||
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emraaa
Germany505 Posts
But you aren't right in accusing him because we don't know anything. Of course we know what they are saying publicly, but not everything will be certain until everything is settled. So how will it be settled, if u dont accept the anouncement of the involved party | ||
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BasilForSkin
United States115 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:04 emraaa wrote: So how will it be settled, if u dont accept the anouncement of the involved party It will be settled when Coach Lee, aLive, and Fnatic come to some sort of terms. As of now, it's all still an ongoing conflict. | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:03 BasilForSkin wrote: Really good at causing drama? He is trying to protect his team. If that means making public statements about people wrongdoing him and his team, then that shouldn't be considered a bad thing. The first couple times I could see that point of view, but you really have to start wonder why nobody but TSL is having these problems. Once again, players leave TSL at a much higher rate than your average team. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
Rain: Was moving to US with his father PuMa: Dirty money, as Clide described it Fruitdealer & TricksteR: disagreement with Coach Lee JYP: Left because of the new and tougher practice regiment Coach Lee implemented some months ago SangHo: Same as JYP Clide: Asked to be released of his contract so he could play with his friend in SlayerS, Coach Lee released him from his contract, and Clide joined Slayers. Now if i we look upon all these reasons, none of them really stated any problem with Coach Lee personally (if we exclude the FD/TesteR issue). Some people couldnt handle the practice regmiment (Remember Coach Lee is in fact the former MBC Hero coach, and BW schedules is said to be a lot tougher than sc2 schedules). Puma & Rain both said that they were on good terms with coach lee after their transfer, and Rain even stayed at the TSL house just a couple of weeks ago. I think the real problem with TSL might be the though practice schedule. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
why did coach lee even think that alive signed a contract with fnatic? just because of this one conversation? and how did he even know about that conversation? | ||
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babybell
776 Posts
Coach Lee is becoming a total joke from my perspective as a casual esports fan. There is no way all these can be true: 1) Puma has been STOLEN from TSL by EG without him knowing 2) Trickster and Fruitdealer lied about being treated badly/ not being paid. 3) JYP, Killer, Clide (3 of the 5 best players, possibly top 3) were sent off as part of a master plan. 4) Fnatic attempted to STEAL aLive from them. | ||
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BasilForSkin
United States115 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:06 Proko wrote: The first couple times I could see that point of view, but you really have to start wonder why nobody but TSL is having these problems. Once again, players leave TSL at a much higher rate than your average team. Plenty of teams are dealing with players leaving for other teams. Have you seen the players that ZeNEX has lost? TSL has lost plenty of players as well, but a lot of them left on seemingly even terms (Rain, JYP, Killer, and Clide for example). They were upset when Puma left because EG had apparently not talked to TSL at all, which was fine from a legal stand point but not really fair from a Korean culture standpoint. Fruitdealer and Tester also left and caused drama, but they were basically complaining about not getting paid, while apparently not practicing and thereby not doing their jobs, and TSL came out as the clear victim in this case. In this case, it seems that aLive was contracted unlike Puma, so there is also actual legal concern. We shall see what happens. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:15 Abrafred wrote: 3) JYP, Killer, Clide (3 of the 5 best players, possibly top 3) were sent off as part of a master plan. He has never claimed this, read my post above! On January 18 2012 23:15 Abrafred wrote: 2) Trickster and Fruitdealer lied about being treated badly/ not being paid. Was proven at sc2 con that this was infact true. And as far as I'm aware FD/TesteR never said anything about beeing treated badly? | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:16 BasilForSkin wrote: Plenty of teams are dealing with players leaving for other teams. Have you seen the players that ZeNEX has lost? TSL has lost plenty of players as well, but a lot of them left on seemingly even terms (Rain, JYP, Killer, and Clide for example). They were upset when Puma left because EG had apparently not talked to TSL at all, which was fine from a legal stand point but not really fair from a Korean culture standpoint. Fruitdealer and Tester also left and caused drama, but they were basically complaining about not getting paid, while apparently not practicing and thereby not doing their jobs, and TSL came out as the clear victim in this case. In this case, it seems that aLive was contracted unlike Puma, so there is also actual legal concern. We shall see what happens. No, plenty of other teams are not dealing with this particular problem. TSL seems to be the only team that chronically has players "stolen" from them. | ||
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babybell
776 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:18 Eee wrote: He has never claimed this, read my post above! Was proven at sc2 con that this was infact true. And as far as I'm aware FD/TesteR never said anything about beeing treated badly? this is from the tl article: In order to rebuild a strong team, the coach of TSL had no choice but to release his ace players, but his voice was still calm. and not being paid your contract is a pretty bad treatment. i don't care if it was proven false but it's just one more accusation against coach lee. he can't be on the right side of all these shenanigans. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
Here is what I think probably went down. (this is all my own speculation to fuel the drama) Fnatic translator finds out that aLive's been looking to get out of TSL. He tells aLive that Fnatic can offer him a spot. aLive packs his bag and tells coach Lee that he's leaving. At the same time, coach Lee is told from Fnatic that their "almost done deal" is now off. Coach Lee connects A and B together and you know the rest. | ||
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Invoker
Belgium686 Posts
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
As a side note; If aLive has indeed joined Fnatic, their team is starting to look damn good (Moon, ToD, Nightend, aLive). | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:24 Abrafred wrote: this is from the tl article: and not being paid your contract is a pretty bad treatment. i don't care if it was proven false but it's just one more accusation against coach lee. he can't be on the right side of all these shenanigans. that is not from an article, that's from a community members translation of korean interview. lol. Coach Lee said to Virgil that was the reason those three players were set free of their contracts. Not showing up to your job is pretty much deserving it. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44043 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:40 BasilForSkin wrote: I like how so many of you are accusing TSL of having some sort of internal problem, as if you know anything whatsoever. Stop accusing Coach Lee of wrong doing and allow things to work out before you pass judgement. Well based on Fnatic's statement, it seems Coach Lee jumped to the conclusion that a player of his was stolen and a player contract was breached when no such things happened. I could see Coach Lee making a big deal out of nothing simply in hopes that all communication breaks down and he keeps his player (good for him, not good for his player- pretty selfish). Granted, that's assuming you believe Fnatic and not believe TSL, and I don't know about Fnatic's history, but TSL has already had plenty of problems because Coach Lee can't keep track of his players. The two versions of the story are very different, so I don't know if one is completely right, the truth is somewhere in the middle, or if we should just hear what aLive has to say... | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
all this drama is killing me, it's just runing e-sports | ||
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how
United States538 Posts
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Wheva
United States13 Posts
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