EPTTSL claims Fnatic tampered with Alive, Fnatic denies - Pag…
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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On January 18 2012 14:49 VirgilSC2 wrote: Can you really blame Coach Lee? He lets Fnatic into his team house, they begin to work on a partnership, and then Fnatic takes aLive? I think what we're all forgetting here is that aLive hasnt been signed by Fnatic :l Fnatic said they never signed him unless I missed something which I could have but I swear I read that they said they didnt sign him :l. So why Fnatic is being made out to be the big bad wolf I dont know smh | ||
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1sz2sz3sz
Andorra173 Posts
Fnatic persuaded aLive to leave his team | ||
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tripfiend
India45 Posts
All the facts are not out yet. I think I will hold my judgement till they do come out. | ||
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say1988
9 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:18 Xalorian wrote: WTF is with this, anyway? So you can't talk to a player from another team, except if you talked to their team manager first? It's bullshit. Do you need to talk to the boss of someone before offering him a better job nowaday? That's completly retarded. You go to him, you offer him a spot in your team... and if he is interested, then you go discuss contract business with his manager. Logical step. Inducement to a breach of contract makes you liable for said breach of contract and yes it happens throughout the business world. Even when you don't have any legal liability for talking to someone under contract it is generally considered bad form to approach them directly. Many people don't care about this, but in a community driven industry this is important We can't say anything on the specific legal issues without the details of the contract (such as what means were available to end it). But it seems like aLive and/or Lee misinterpreted something about Fnatic's position in this unless Fnatic is lying (which doesn't make a lot of sense as all the facts and logic seem to back their position). | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
Moon and aLive. Make it happen ! | ||
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ThaSlayer
707 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:15 Abrafred wrote: Now this is getting ridiculous. Coach Lee is becoming a total joke from my perspective as a casual esports fan. There is no way all these can be true: 1) Puma has been STOLEN from TSL by EG without him knowing 2) Trickster and Fruitdealer lied about being treated badly/ not being paid. 3) JYP, Killer, Clide (3 of the 5 best players, possibly top 3) were sent off as part of a master plan. 4) Fnatic attempted to STEAL aLive from them. I dont think you should be calling coach lee a joke. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
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babybell
776 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:28 Eee wrote: that is not from an article, that's from a community members translation of korean interview. lol. Coach Lee said to Virgil that was the reason those three players were set free of their contracts. Not showing up to your job is pretty much deserving it. Still it is impossible to have so many misunderstanding around 1 person if he isn't doing anything wrong. | ||
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babybell
776 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:49 ThaSlayer wrote: I dont think you should be calling coach lee a joke. Well I believe I can call anyone however I want. Especially when pointing out that it is a conclusion from my perspective of an observer of the e-sports scene (of which I am the client) and that I am not an expert. | ||
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PaNiCterrran
Sweden47 Posts
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:43 Barrin wrote: On the surface it seems like there is a factor more powerful than fear of repercussions from breaking the contract that is influencing Alive to want to leave TSL. Yeah... how about money? aLIve already admitted that it was his mistake, that he became money hungry, and never told coach Lee until he found out about his conversation with Fnatic management from other sources. He also said that he was not happy in TSL. He said he planned on telling coach Lee (yeah.. like when? after you signed with Fnatic and out of country?), but coach Lee found out first. | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:49 ThaSlayer wrote: I dont think you should be calling coach lee a joke. Why? I see no reason to give this guy this otherworldly respect off the rumor that he's a nice guy. There's more evidence pointing to this guy fucking up horribly than there is that he's a nice guy. Why does anyone actually care about Coach Lee, all I've seen from him is crying wolf that the big bad foreign scene is attacking him. He copy and pasted the EG incident... This is getting old, he can't be so oblivious. What, the player just disappears all the sudden and he throws his hands up in the air, "Where'd he go!? CURSE YOU FOREIGN SCEEEENE!"? It's his fault, you can't keep making excuses for it. He shouldn't react like this. People are saying the foreign scene is hurting e-sports? No, this asshole is. | ||
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
And nothing really actually happened? Coach lee needs to calm his tits | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
a joke. He might be wrong this time, but call him out respectfully please. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
Can we keep the drama down a bit in the future^^ | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45614 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:56 PaNiCterrran wrote: My question is why Coach Lee wasn't trying to contact EG/fnatic before turning everything upside down. Seems to me like he acts on emotions rather than reason. Good point. Turns out that EG's "poaching" of Puma was completely legal anyway, and Fnatic's "scandal" might not have even ever happened -.-' It just seems like Coach Lee jumps the gun and exaggerates things before understanding what happened on the other side of the coin. And that's probably because- while he's a great Coach- he's apparently pretty poor at running the business end of his team (not keeping players on contracts, not knowing what players are talking to what other teams, etc.). | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:49 ThaSlayer wrote: I dont think you should be calling coach lee a joke. I think you should, considering his actions. His actions remind me of a 4-yrs old. "Mommy Mommy I want that toy too!!!" "No, I won't buy it" *throws himself on floor punching it and crying* @the Post under mine: Why? Isn't that causality? *jkn* | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
(1) aLive leaves TSL... no reaction from Coach Lee (2) aLive joins Fnatic... Coach Lee wants to sue aLive because of (1) | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
From Fnatics PoV i bet they are glad they didn't become partners with him lol...seems like Coach Lee is extremely shady... Coach Lee needs to learn how his personal image is affected by his random venting of complete bullshit.... | ||
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