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On January 19 2012 00:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 23:56 PaNiCterrran wrote:
My question is why Coach Lee wasn't trying to contact EG/fnatic before turning everything upside down. Seems to me like he acts on emotions rather than reason. Good point. Turns out that EG's "poaching" of Puma was completely legal anyway, and Fnatic's "scandal" might not have even ever happened -.-' It just seems like Coach Lee jumps the gun and exaggerates things before understanding what happened on the other side of the coin. And that's probably because- while he's a great Coach- he's apparently pretty poor at running the business end of his team (not keeping players on contracts, not knowing what players are talking to what other teams, etc.).
I don't think there's enough evidence at all to support that he's a great coach in any shape or form, there's tonnes of evidence to show that everyone who is coached by him seems to want to leave fairly often and it's not like TSL has been close to as successful as the Slayers and IMs of this world. Like he gets so much implied respect just because he was an MBC assistant coach (notably a team that had very little success after Bisu left and with whom July did not enjoy his time at all) and was in a few episodes of Hyungjoon wants to be a progamer or whatever it was called, but on the face of results and media attention he's not proven to be a great coach, team manager or anything other than a talent scout. It doesn't mean you should hate the guy personally for it but there sure is a lot of undue accolades being placed on the dude as part of some weird 'we must respect the korean scene at all costs' nonsense.
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FFS, aLive admitted that it was his fault. Can we stop blaming everything on coach Lee now?
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
So Alive still hasn't signed with Fnatic? Even if that's the case, the fact that he made contact with any Fnatic affliate and discussed a possible employment behind TSL's back is pretty bad. Sure it isn't like the end of the world, but try and see it from Coach Lee's perspective. Why would Alive leave the team if he didn't have anything set up? He knows Alive has been courted behind his back and that's not right. If Fnatic had any interest in signing Alive, they needed to go through the team not the player, even if it's the player who initiated contact. It's called common courtesy and there's a reason why there are strict regulations in place in most if not all professional sports. It's to prevent clubs and teams poaching players without the former team receiving fair compensation.
Now I understand that ESPORTS or SC2 doesn't have any regulatory bodies or trade systems in place, but that's no excuse for teams to start backstabbing each other. I imagine Fnatic would be outraged too if one of their players discussed employment with another team without their knowledge. Now I don't know the specifics of Alive's contract with TSL or how it was terminated, but if Fnatic had approached them legitimately, they would've had to buy Alive's contract out. The fact that he seems to have left TSL without any drama suggests Coach Lee had no idea Alive had this deal set up. Whatever you want to call it, it's poaching, and it's bad. If there were rules in place, Fnatic would be heavily fined and penalised. Just because there aren't means you can go around screwing people over. That always leads to a dark road.
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On January 19 2012 00:22 jellyjello wrote:
FFS, aLive admitted that it was his fault. Can we stop blaming everything on coach Lee now?
where did he admit it was his fault?
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On January 19 2012 00:22 jellyjello wrote:
FFS, aLive admitted that it was his fault. Can we stop blaming everything on coach Lee now?
Jelly can you translate the relevant article/interview/updates? At least I'm guessing you're reading off info that's not been translated to the rest of us yet?
(or just link back if its translated already if I'm being dumb and can't see it =p)
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On January 19 2012 00:25 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:22 jellyjello wrote:
FFS, aLive admitted that it was his fault. Can we stop blaming everything on coach Lee now? Jelly can you translate the relevant article/interview/updates? At least I'm guessing you're reading off info that's not been translated to the rest of us yet?
No idea how to do the spoiler thing. it's a part of today's game interview. Oops, there goes the spoiler!
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On January 19 2012 00:26 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:25 Asha` wrote:On January 19 2012 00:22 jellyjello wrote:
FFS, aLive admitted that it was his fault. Can we stop blaming everything on coach Lee now? Jelly can you translate the relevant article/interview/updates? At least I'm guessing you're reading off info that's not been translated to the rest of us yet? No idea how to do the spoiler thing. it's a part of today's game interview. Oops, there goes the spoiler!
the [s] button on top when you're writing a post 
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case closed then? alive wasnt being very smart
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On January 19 2012 00:29 GreyKnight wrote:
case closed then? alive wasnt being very smart
I guess, but I dont think the haters will stop whining for a while.
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This many issues arising with TSL makes me suspect there's something wrong with how that team is being managed.
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On January 19 2012 00:26 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:25 Asha` wrote:On January 19 2012 00:22 jellyjello wrote:
FFS, aLive admitted that it was his fault. Can we stop blaming everything on coach Lee now? Jelly can you translate the relevant article/interview/updates? At least I'm guessing you're reading off info that's not been translated to the rest of us yet? No idea how to do the spoiler thing. it's a part of today's game interview. Oops, there goes the spoiler!
Doesn't change the reaction of Coach Lee, again and again and again and again ....
"It seems he talked about transferring teams with Fnatic's translator. Fnatic is denying responsibility by saying it's something the translator did on his [or her] own, but that's nonsense. I'm angry that they didn't approach me officially, and went to the player directly." He obviously accuse Fnatic of lying which then could be seen as badmouthing which then could be worth taking legal actions ... how unprofessional and unmannered he can be untill you stop defending him?
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On January 19 2012 00:29 Dranak wrote:
This many issues arising with TSL makes me suspect there's something wrong with how that team is being managed.
Agreed, I don't really get how people can still back this guy up. It's hard to rationalize the fact that people steadily leave the team with the opinion that this guy's just a coach with a heart of gold or something.
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On January 19 2012 00:17 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 23:49 ThaSlayer wrote:On January 18 2012 23:15 Abrafred wrote:
Now this is getting ridiculous.
Coach Lee is becoming a total joke from my perspective as a casual esports fan.
There is no way all these can be true:
1) Puma has been STOLEN from TSL by EG without him knowing
2) Trickster and Fruitdealer lied about being treated badly/ not being paid.
3) JYP, Killer, Clide (3 of the 5 best players, possibly top 3) were sent off as part of a master plan.
4) Fnatic attempted to STEAL aLive from them. I dont think you should be calling coach lee a joke. I think you should, considering his actions. His actions remind me of a 4-yrs old. "Mommy Mommy I want that toy too!!!" "No, I won't buy it" *throws himself on floor punching it and crying* @the Post under mine: Why? Isn't that causality? *jkn*
Dude, he is a well respected Coach. I don't know how much you know about BW, but he is very good at what he does. And seeing as a lot of shit like this seems to happen when dealing with Koreans (think NASL 2) a big part of it might just be the Korean culture.
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On January 19 2012 00:34 how wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:17 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 23:49 ThaSlayer wrote:On January 18 2012 23:15 Abrafred wrote:
Now this is getting ridiculous.
Coach Lee is becoming a total joke from my perspective as a casual esports fan.
There is no way all these can be true:
1) Puma has been STOLEN from TSL by EG without him knowing
2) Trickster and Fruitdealer lied about being treated badly/ not being paid.
3) JYP, Killer, Clide (3 of the 5 best players, possibly top 3) were sent off as part of a master plan.
4) Fnatic attempted to STEAL aLive from them. I dont think you should be calling coach lee a joke. I think you should, considering his actions. His actions remind me of a 4-yrs old. "Mommy Mommy I want that toy too!!!" "No, I won't buy it" *throws himself on floor punching it and crying* @the Post under mine: Why? Isn't that causality? *jkn* Dude, he is a well respected Coach. I don't know how much you know about BW, but he is very good at what he does. And seeing as a lot of shit like this seems to happen when dealing with Koreans (think NASL 2) a big part of it might just be the Korean culture.
Wtf? because someone is good at somethings that legitimates him of wildly accusing s/o of sth?
Get off the fantrain please and open your eyes.
And don't say its "korean culture" since he is the only one sticking out.
edit: couldn't put it in such wonderful words, but was he writes is what i am thinking:
On January 19 2012 00:37 Kich wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:34 how wrote:On January 19 2012 00:17 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 23:49 ThaSlayer wrote:On January 18 2012 23:15 Abrafred wrote:
Now this is getting ridiculous.
Coach Lee is becoming a total joke from my perspective as a casual esports fan.
There is no way all these can be true:
1) Puma has been STOLEN from TSL by EG without him knowing
2) Trickster and Fruitdealer lied about being treated badly/ not being paid.
3) JYP, Killer, Clide (3 of the 5 best players, possibly top 3) were sent off as part of a master plan.
4) Fnatic attempted to STEAL aLive from them. I dont think you should be calling coach lee a joke. I think you should, considering his actions. His actions remind me of a 4-yrs old. "Mommy Mommy I want that toy too!!!" "No, I won't buy it" *throws himself on floor punching it and crying* @the Post under mine: Why? Isn't that causality? *jkn* Dude, he is a well respected Coach. I don't know how much you know about BW, but he is very good at what he does. And seeing as a lot of shit like this seems to happen when dealing with Koreans (think NASL 2) a big part of it might just be the Korean culture. In this case, as outlined by the seven (7) players that have left the team over the course of time, I'd say it has a lot more to do with him. The past isn't the present.
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On January 19 2012 00:29 Dranak wrote:
This many issues arising with TSL makes me suspect there's something wrong with how that team is being managed.
It's being manages like a BW team.
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On January 19 2012 00:34 how wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:17 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 23:49 ThaSlayer wrote:On January 18 2012 23:15 Abrafred wrote:
Now this is getting ridiculous.
Coach Lee is becoming a total joke from my perspective as a casual esports fan.
There is no way all these can be true:
1) Puma has been STOLEN from TSL by EG without him knowing
2) Trickster and Fruitdealer lied about being treated badly/ not being paid.
3) JYP, Killer, Clide (3 of the 5 best players, possibly top 3) were sent off as part of a master plan.
4) Fnatic attempted to STEAL aLive from them. I dont think you should be calling coach lee a joke. I think you should, considering his actions. His actions remind me of a 4-yrs old. "Mommy Mommy I want that toy too!!!" "No, I won't buy it" *throws himself on floor punching it and crying* @the Post under mine: Why? Isn't that causality? *jkn* Dude, he is a well respected Coach. I don't know how much you know about BW, but he is very good at what he does. And seeing as a lot of shit like this seems to happen when dealing with Koreans (think NASL 2) a big part of it might just be the Korean culture.
In this case, as outlined by the seven (7) players that have left the team over the course of time, I'd say it has a lot more to do with him. The past isn't the present.
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United States33713 Posts
updated, TSL added another twist with a counter-argument to Fnatic's statement
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On January 19 2012 00:36 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:34 how wrote:On January 19 2012 00:17 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 23:49 ThaSlayer wrote:On January 18 2012 23:15 Abrafred wrote:
Now this is getting ridiculous.
Coach Lee is becoming a total joke from my perspective as a casual esports fan.
There is no way all these can be true:
1) Puma has been STOLEN from TSL by EG without him knowing
2) Trickster and Fruitdealer lied about being treated badly/ not being paid.
3) JYP, Killer, Clide (3 of the 5 best players, possibly top 3) were sent off as part of a master plan.
4) Fnatic attempted to STEAL aLive from them. I dont think you should be calling coach lee a joke. I think you should, considering his actions. His actions remind me of a 4-yrs old. "Mommy Mommy I want that toy too!!!" "No, I won't buy it" *throws himself on floor punching it and crying* @the Post under mine: Why? Isn't that causality? *jkn* Dude, he is a well respected Coach. I don't know how much you know about BW, but he is very good at what he does. And seeing as a lot of shit like this seems to happen when dealing with Koreans (think NASL 2) a big part of it might just be the Korean culture. Wtf? because someone is good at somethings that legitimates him of wildly accusing s/o of sth? Get off the fantrain please and open your eyes.
Use words dude, what the fuck is s/o of sth?? And look at his career to understand why there are fans.
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On January 19 2012 00:38 how wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:36 bluQ wrote:On January 19 2012 00:34 how wrote:On January 19 2012 00:17 bluQ wrote:On January 18 2012 23:49 ThaSlayer wrote:On January 18 2012 23:15 Abrafred wrote:
Now this is getting ridiculous.
Coach Lee is becoming a total joke from my perspective as a casual esports fan.
There is no way all these can be true:
1) Puma has been STOLEN from TSL by EG without him knowing
2) Trickster and Fruitdealer lied about being treated badly/ not being paid.
3) JYP, Killer, Clide (3 of the 5 best players, possibly top 3) were sent off as part of a master plan.
4) Fnatic attempted to STEAL aLive from them. I dont think you should be calling coach lee a joke. I think you should, considering his actions. His actions remind me of a 4-yrs old. "Mommy Mommy I want that toy too!!!" "No, I won't buy it" *throws himself on floor punching it and crying* @the Post under mine: Why? Isn't that causality? *jkn* Dude, he is a well respected Coach. I don't know how much you know about BW, but he is very good at what he does. And seeing as a lot of shit like this seems to happen when dealing with Koreans (think NASL 2) a big part of it might just be the Korean culture. Wtf? because someone is good at somethings that legitimates him of wildly accusing s/o of sth? Get off the fantrain please and open your eyes. Use words dude, what the fuck is s/o of sth?? And look at his career to understand why there are fans.
Erm ... sorry i assumed a native would know at least the abbreviation of something and someone ... (written in books to teach you english vocabulary ...)
And yet you just say "but he was a good bw coach" which implies "he can do what he want derp!"
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On January 19 2012 00:37 Waxangel wrote:
updated, TSL added another twist with a counter-argument to Fnatic's statement
WOO! More wild accusations by Coach Lee, this time he's got evidence! :| ...
Good thing in a few days this will blow over and no one will care until it happens again.
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