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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
January 18 2012 16:00 GMT
#761
It gets harder and harder to be a TSL fan. I was really beginning to like them during the last team league season, but they have only a couple players remaining from those days and stuff like this keeps happening. Good luck to aLive.
Brood War Forever / NA's premiere Shadow Shaman player / Courier Collector / Bot Game Champion / Highly amateur Mystical Ninja Goemon Speedrunner
Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
January 18 2012 16:02 GMT
#762
On January 19 2012 00:46 Kich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 00:43 moonmeh wrote:
Interview from This Is Game.

Cross contract seems be an over reaction, as I haven't made a contract yet. I received an offer from the translator last Sunday and on Monday he asked if I wanted to talk to the Fnatic manager and talked in detail. Later Coach Lee called me over and showed me the printed out copy of the conversation. Seeing as how the conversation was done in Skype on my computer I wonder how he got it. However I know I was in the wrong so I apologized and asked him to understand.



... What the fuck?

But hey guys, Coach Lee is a really nice guy right?

If that statement is true, coach lee need to get sued by alive.
Btw, I am not sure talking about detail of contract to public is valid move. That could cause legal issue too.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
January 18 2012 16:03 GMT
#763
Mama bear.... I... Dont know if I can believe you anymore.I trusted you dammit.
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 16:10:19
January 18 2012 16:04 GMT
#764
aLive's interview completely confirms Fnatic poached him lol.

Couldn't Fnatic back out from taking you in as well?

They could. However Fnatic also played a part. I hope that doesn't happen. I'm only able to accept this situation because I'm certain that Fnatic sign me.

Fnatic is a foreign team. Couldn't there have been misunderstandings in communication with the translator?

Of course I've also thought that. I also left because of money. But if that were the case there's nothing I could do. I'll accept it


aLive seems to be handling this all very maturely though despite part of it being down to his immature decision making initially.

---

messy stuff all around though tbnh
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
January 18 2012 16:05 GMT
#765
On January 19 2012 01:03 Blasterion wrote:
Mama bear.... I... Dont know if I can believe you anymore.I trusted you dammit.

I hope you feel abused
He shouldn't have fans anymore! That would just be fair.
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
January 18 2012 16:08 GMT
#766
i think we still need to wait for the statement from coach Lee before you guys bashing him.
I hate all this singing
magicallypuzzled
Profile Joined June 2011
United States588 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 16:12:16
January 18 2012 16:08 GMT
#767
the thing that really confuses me is why every one tries to compare starcraft to basketball when saying how player/team relations should be handled. Basketball is a team sport where being on a team is essential it really is impossable for any one to go 5v1 and actually win it's just not going to happen. While starcraft is very much an individual sport say all you want about practice partners/work ethic but you can get them with out joining a team. there's really no reason why teams should have so much control over when a player decides they want to leave it should be/remain completely up to the player.

obviously if they are contracted they should stay on the team and there should be loyality (which would really just depend on the players character and considered by the team before asking him to join any ways). But talks should always begin and end with the player and any coach that feels they should be infomed first as opposed to second should be laughed off the stage.
is depressed
FawxzTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden178 Posts
January 18 2012 16:09 GMT
#768
To be honest, Brian supposedly played a big part in signing Moon. I can see how him casually talking to any korean progamer would end up with that progamer playing for Fnatic.
smallerk
Profile Joined October 2010
897 Posts
January 18 2012 16:09 GMT
#769
I dont think coach lee is a very good person.
Never Regret anything because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
Ippo
Profile Joined November 2010
708 Posts
January 18 2012 16:11 GMT
#770
Coach Lee monitoring his players.. man, cant a Starcraft nerd enjoy some porn without his coach spying on him?
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
January 18 2012 16:11 GMT
#771
On January 19 2012 01:00 ftjust wrote:
and he spent 50 bucks on alive LOOOOOL thanks for the mousepad coach..... coach lee seems like a douche.


You understand 6 million won is a lot of money right? Thats about 4k USD iirc. Thats a large amount of money. Thats about a few hundred mousepads if you want to look at it in amount of mousepads.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
January 18 2012 16:11 GMT
#772
On January 19 2012 01:11 Ippo wrote:
Coach Lee monitoring his players.. man, cant a Starcraft nerd enjoy some porn without his coach spying on him?


LOL ! epic comment
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
January 18 2012 16:11 GMT
#773
No wonder people wants to leave TSL.

Sorry Mr. Lee. You're very likely a nice person, but managerial roles isn't the same as coaching. And being a control freak isn't helping.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
January 18 2012 16:12 GMT
#774
On January 19 2012 01:09 smallerk wrote:
I dont think coach lee is a very good person.


But, what about Fnatic and them saying we didn't do anything wrong? LOL
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
January 18 2012 16:12 GMT
#775
On January 19 2012 01:09 smallerk wrote:
I dont think coach lee is a very good person.

seriously, do you actually see everything in black and white like that? This is the most facepalming comment i have seen yet.
I hate all this singing
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
January 18 2012 16:12 GMT
#776
Coach Lee is at it again I see.

Why is it always TSL crying wolf....
Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
January 18 2012 16:12 GMT
#777
aLive should really read his contract, or hire an attorney to do it. Coach Lee reading his private Skype chats should surely violate some existing clause.
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
January 18 2012 16:12 GMT
#778
Poor Coach Lee.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Bedrock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
January 18 2012 16:13 GMT
#779
On Jan 18 2012 11:08<span style='color:#d20000'> (4 min)</span> magicallypuzzled wrote:
the thing that really confuses me is why every one tries to compare starcraft to basketball when saying how player/team relations should be handled. Basketball is a team sport where being on a team is essential it really is impossable for any one to go 5v1 and actually win it's just not going to happen. While starcraft is very much an individual sport say all you want about practice partners/work ethic but you can get them with out joining a team. there's really no reason why teams should have so much control over when a player decides they want to leave it should be/remain completely up to the player.


How does playing relate to how someone is signed? I think you are confusing two different things...
eSports or die tryin'
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 18 2012 16:13 GMT
#780
foreigners blame korean coach, what do the koreans think? o:
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
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