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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
 ? 3?After reading the interview, it looks like Coach Lee preempted Alive's chance to talk to him, and that the negotions are just in the begining stage. Fnatic may be at fault for how they tried to recruit Alive, but the fact that Coach Lee read aLive's skype calls supports the claims that Lee is a control freak (And a mean one at that). | ||
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:15 FXOpen wrote: I just don't understand this thread at all. Like.. A player doesnt respect a contract. All of a sudden coach lee is a control freak douche? What? Really? <brain explode> I hope no player breaks my contract, cos then if I fight for my rights, I will apparently be some sort of criminal control freak. Depends on if you steal Skype conversations from their computer and then publicly bash another organization (again). | ||
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LeFroMaGe
United States628 Posts
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
 Q_Q FML ! | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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Cuddle
Sweden1345 Posts
There's nothing shady in offering a contracted player a deal. It wasn't shady when EG did it and it's not shady if Fnatic did it. Breaking the contract is shady, however, but that remains to be proven in this case. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:09 ckaren wrote: To be honest, Brian supposedly played a big part in signing Moon. I can see how him casually talking to any korean progamer would end up with that progamer playing for Fnatic. Did he? I though it was Elroy (through his old wc3 contacts) who was in charge of that? | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
Before (T)PuMa hyung’s situation, there were no contracts. Coach Lee also said when (T)Clide and (P)JYP hyung left that if I was still unhappy, I could leave too. I was going to leave at that time but because of personal issues, I said I would stay in the team a bit longer, but just physically, not as an active teammate. I thought that Coach Lee had accepted it at the time but I guess that wasn’t the case. so why is coach lee making a drama out of this? | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:22 Witten wrote: Depends on if you steal Skype conversations from their computer and then publicly bash another organization (again). Could as well have been his teammate who saw the conversation or something, he may have left the chatlog open. | ||
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:15 FXOpen wrote: I just don't understand this thread at all. Like.. A player doesnt respect a contract. All of a sudden coach lee is a control freak douche? What? Really? <brain explode> I hope no player breaks my contract, cos then if I fight for my rights, I will apparently be some sort of criminal control freak. You apparently missed the part where the coach somehow found out about the "private" conversation between Alive and whoever he talked to and even printed out the entire conversation? While I can understand employers wanting to monitor his employees, this is a bit extreme isn't it? | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:23 Ysellian wrote: Sounds like coach Lee got a bit too emotional. why would he be emotional, it's not like he's mentoring young restless adults and trying to maintain a roster trying to jump ship... | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:20 babylon wrote: Did it say he actually talked to the actual manager? I'm going off moonmeh's translation; it was the first released. I don't know which one's correct. There's a conflicting statement there. "Cross contract seems be an over reaction, as I haven't made a contract yet. I received an offer from the translator last Sunday and on Monday he asked if I wanted to talk to the Fnatic manager and talked in detail." vs. "A: Trying to get a deal while I was still under contract with TSL. I have not signed with Fnatic yet. Fnatic's translator told me last Sunday that they'd give me an offer. I talked to the Fnatic's management on Monday with more details." Lol, translations. Quoting my own here. Q: What do you think you did wrong? A: Trying to get a deal while I was still under contract with TSL. I have not signed with Fnatic yet. Fnatic's translator told me last Sunday that they'd give me an offer. I talked to the Fnatic's management on Monday with more details. But after that, Coach Lee called me and showed me a print out of conversation I had with Fnatic's management. I was speaking with Fnatic via Skype on my computer, so I was curious how he was able to get a hold of it. However, I let coach Lee know that I made a mistake and asked him to be considerate. | ||
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CloudCat
Singapore160 Posts
Money. sigh. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:15 FXOpen wrote: I just don't understand this thread at all. Like.. A player doesnt respect a contract. All of a sudden coach lee is a control freak douche? What? Really? <brain explode> I hope no player breaks my contract, cos then if I fight for my rights, I will apparently be some sort of criminal control freak. Except Alive didn't make a new contract, ergo he didn't break his contract. | ||
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
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hyperknight
294 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:15 FXOpen wrote: I just don't understand this thread at all. Like.. A player doesnt respect a contract. All of a sudden coach lee is a control freak douche? What? Really? <brain explode> I hope no player breaks my contract, cos then if I fight for my rights, I will apparently be some sort of criminal control freak. 1) You don't own your players. They're free to talk to anybody they like, obviously without breaching their contract. If FXO wanted to recruit IdrA, the logical thing to do would be to approach IdrA first and see if he was interested before approaching the team/manager. I imagine that maybe what have happened when Coach Lee found out. And there's no chance of aLive ever breaching his contract - if he ever wants to leave TSL, fnatic or he will have to pay some sort of penalty (for him to continue playing competitively in Korea) to "buy him out of his contract" which is what every esport team does for any player - irrespective of whether its SC2 or CS or DoTA. 2) Fnatic hasn't signed or come to any official agreement with aLive so far irrespective of whether alive is "sure" that fnatic will pick him up. Fnatic's statement did say that they were trying to negotiate some stuff out with Coach Lee. So Coach Lee broke the fundamental rule of a non-disclosure agreement when talking or negotiating with any business organization. 3) If you snoop on your player's skype convos or facebook msg inboxes, you're always gonna be a criminal control freak. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:15 FXOpen wrote: I just don't understand this thread at all. Like.. A player doesnt respect a contract. All of a sudden coach lee is a control freak douche? What? Really? <brain explode> I hope no player breaks my contract, cos then if I fight for my rights, I will apparently be some sort of criminal control freak. I guess as long as you respect the privacy of your players you're golden. But getting the information of a private (granted: this is an assumption) Skype account is very bad. This may (!) be an indication of the reasons why alive wanted to leave the team in the first place. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:21 FXOpen wrote: This is e-sports. Public outcry is the ONLY way to get things done. As I have demonstrated a few times. Its impossible to get things done behind the scenes nowadays, people ignore you, say things like "so what, what are you going to do", "if you sue me I'll sue you so ner"... The beauty of the internet and multiple jurisdictions. The one thing that hits people where it hurts is bad PR. So its the only way to really get peoples attention. where's the "like" button? | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:25 Gamegene wrote: why would he be emotional, it's not like he's mentoring young restless adults and trying to maintain a roster trying to jump ship... It's understandable, but it's still something that can be criticized and as far as I'm concerned the only thing Coach lee can be criticized for. | ||
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Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:17 Azzur wrote: Btw, this is really offtopic but how come TeamLiquid ESPORTS only has 1 post??? The mods maintain the count at 1 at their own discretion. On topic: Still need more information as to who's really at fault. Good to see that Fnatic has responded quickly, unlike EG in the Puma fiasco. Still hope this can only be sorted out fairly. | ||
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