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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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KeyHunt
United States218 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:03 corpuscle wrote: In other pro sports, contracts are (at least in most sports) public information, to protect the rights of players. I understand that it's in the team's best interest to keep contracts private, but what if we found out that EG was paying their players with similar results 5 times as much as Liquid? That's not fair to the players at all. Some transparency is necessary if we're going to have players compensated fairly. edit: I guess it doesn't need to be broadcasted publicly in this way but it shouldn't be something that's suppressed If this community decided what was "fair" then every organization would be broke as dirt lol. It's not just the players that have a complete disconnect from reality, it's the community to when it comes to how much players are worth, get, deserve, etc. | ||
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Oiseaux
United States676 Posts
 Either way, even if it's not specific, the general ballpark figures are still interesting. Even if some are going to look at you revealing that in a negative, as just an average joe I appreciate the knowledge. | ||
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ObliviousNA
United States535 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:05 Zanazuah wrote: ''Pray for me''...I didn't know he was a christian either! Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on prayer O.o Still, an odd twitter statement. Perhaps just a poor translation of "Hope for the best for me". I don't know how good his English is. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:06 KeyHunt wrote: If this community decided what was "fair" then every organization would be broke as dirt lol. It's not just the players that have a complete disconnect from reality, it's the community to when it comes to how much players are worth, get, deserve, etc. thank you! And for reference, all of the teams and players know what each other make within a ball park - no player is under some NDA about his contract and everyone lets every team know when their contracts are up. The industry isn't at a stage where its worth making it public. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:59 Xeris wrote: Most pro contracts have the salary + sponsor gear + flights paid for. I'm sure some people who go to Korea also have living expenses paid. So MOSTLY, the salary is just pocketed by the player. Plus if youre a pro, realistically you are: in your late teens / early 20's... don't have much to spend your money on anyways, so making anywhere from 10-50k is pretty sick and much more than most people of comparable age make unless they're engineers 10-50k is far from sick considering the living conditions in the team houses + saving for retirement (and no matching from employer) + paying for own benefits + the limited earning window in the career. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:02 Xeris wrote: Hmm, I'm not releasing (nor do I know) actual $ figures of anyone's contracts, I'm just outlining what most people say players make. I also don't see the necessary harm in stating what a player might be asking for, although I guess I see your point ~_~! Yeah, I agree, Xeris, you haven't really released any figures that would in anway compromise fnatic, or any other team. You just outlined what sleep and sangho were asking for, and rumors of what you've heard other players have made. this whole discussion on salary definitely piques my interest. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:04 Itsmedudeman wrote: Lol, you think this is just a hobby because they're young? Do you know the definition of professional? They're trying to make a living. Most of them don't attend school, or have a side job. They do this 8-12 hours a day 6 days a week. Job security is very low as well. If I made 20k a year for 5 years while working that hard and most likely no future once you get passed up (unless you're god damn boxer) I wouldn't say I was successful. They've got no other source of income unless you stream daily with a couple thousand viewers, and they aren't preparing for a career like engineering. The money just isn't there though, that's the thing. The risks you stated all come with the territory of pro-gaming. I'm sure all the pros knew them before dedicating themselves, and if they did not that's their fault. Xeris simply stated that the higher earning pros are doing fine. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Basically what i feel they're all saying now... I do hope its not true but meh, who would blame them. Thing is, unless its for money why would you bother? Worse training partners, practice regiemes etc etc. Meeeeh :| In the long run they'll lose out. They'll slowly get worse untill nobody wants em, especially in the case of young talent like him. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:04 Itsmedudeman wrote: Lol, you think this is just a hobby because they're young? Do you know the definition of professional? They're trying to make a living. Most of them don't attend school, or have a side job. They do this 8-12 hours a day 6 days a week. Job security is very low as well. If I made 20k a year for 5 years while working that hard and most likely no future once you get passed up (unless you're god damn boxer) I wouldn't say I was successful. They've got no other source of income unless you stream daily with a couple thousand viewers, and they aren't preparing for a career like engineering. The money just isn't there though, that's the thing. Almost 0 players in eSports will be able to retire off their winnings/salary when they quit gaming. You're looking at this from too much of a real-world perspective. Based on your argument, only Boxer-esque players should even bother being pros because almost nobody is going to make enough to retire | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:06 KeyHunt wrote: If this community decided what was "fair" then every organization would be broke as dirt lol. It's not just the players that have a complete disconnect from reality, it's the community to when it comes to how much players are worth, get, deserve, etc. I'm not saying the community should decide player salaries, that would be stupid. The community doesn't know how much money the organizations have, and we don't know how business works, collectively. I just think that players have a right to know what other teams are paying people of their skill level, because in pretty much any other industry there's a standard payscale. If I'm a med student and some hospital wants to hire me for $25k a year, I can look at that and say "hey bullshit" because I know other doctors make more than that. If I'm a progamer who just burst onto the scene and won a tournament out of nowhere, I would have no fucking idea what other players of my skill level are making, because it's such a new industry and everything is kept under wraps. | ||
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Wockets
Hong Kong467 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:36 Diamond wrote: Seems like many Koreans have illusions of grandeur on how much they are worth to foreign teams and leave because of that. I hope this is not the case here and he just wants to be part of the foreign scene, but who knows. QFT I remember Sleep leaving slayers a few months ago, he still hasn't found a foreign team IIRC. | ||
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snowhell
United States57 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote: I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . If this is true thats hilarious actually. Sleep plays playhems and z33k cups regularly and loses to no names quite often. sangho is 2 games away from being out of code A and the GSL completely. someone should get something posted on playxp about unreal expectations | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:10 corpuscle wrote: I'm not saying the community should decide player salaries, that would be stupid. The community doesn't know how much money the organizations have, and we don't know how business works, collectively. I just think that players have a right to know what other teams are paying people of their skill level, because in pretty much any other industry there's a standard payscale. Your statement implies that because you dont know, that the players dont know. They do know how much each other make. Do you think they dont talk to each other? | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
I'm not anywhere near influential and I already knew both the number for Sleep and SangHo's desired salaries. It's not like it was some large well-kept secret by Fnatic or anything... | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:06 Kennigit wrote: thank you! And for reference, all of the teams and players know what each other make within a ball park - no player is under some NDA about his contract and everyone lets every team know when their contracts are up. The industry isn't at a stage where its worth making it public. I didn't know that it was generally known in the pro player community what player salaries are, my apologies. As long as the players know what a fair salary is, I could give two shits whether or not the community at large knows, since that doesn't matter at all. Your statement implies that because you dont know, that the players dont know. They do know how much each other make edit: sorry Kennigit, I'm wrong  | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:11 Kennigit wrote: Your statement implies that because you dont know, that the players dont know. They do know how much each other make. Do you think they dont talk to each other? I can second this. Almost every players salary I know I learned from other players that talk to them. It's just the public that does not know. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:11 Kennigit wrote: Your statement implies that because you dont know, that the players dont know. They do know how much each other make. Most of the numbers, generally speaking have been around TL quite a bit ... obviously it's not specifics. I don't even know how much specifically people make outside of a small handful, but I know rough figures , and I've seen them on TL quite a bit whenever salaries are discussed. I can see how you disagree with what I said earlier, although it's obviously not my intention to do anything bad, I was merely trying to highlight the fact that Koreans have very unrealistic expectations on how much money foreign teams have to offer. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:06 Kennigit wrote: thank you! And for reference, all of the teams and players know what each other make within a ball park - no player is under some NDA about his contract and everyone lets every team know when their contracts are up. The industry isn't at a stage where its worth making it public. so what is a point where salaries should be made public to protect the players? how do you draw that line? | ||
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