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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:55 niteReloaded wrote: Isn't $1.5K like the minimum wage in US for working 8h a day including saturdays? I thought solid pros make way more than that....... ya bigger more high profile pros do | ||
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Packawana
United States1081 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:51 StarMoon wrote: 1.5k/3k a month? a day? what? And Kennigit's reaction, care to elaborate for those of us who are uninitiated? I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo. | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:55 niteReloaded wrote: Isn't $1.5K like the minimum wage in US for working 8h a day including saturdays? I thought solid pros make way more than that....... In my state it's 7.25 per hour soooo.... 40 hours a week (8 hours a day no weekends) = $290 x that by 4 weeks gets you 1160. And thats without taxes so its much lower. So it's high than min. Wage ^_^ | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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ObliviousNA
United States535 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:51 StarMoon wrote: 1.5k/3k a month? a day? what? And Kennigit's reaction, care to elaborate for those of us who are uninitiated? 3k/month is the obvious answer. 3k/day would be a 1.1 million dollar contract... no team is dealing with anything on that order of magnitude. And Kennigit's response seems to be him disagreeing with Xeris posting personal information about a privately negotiated contract between Sang-ho and a team that he is no longer associated with. It comes across as a bit unprofessional, since it clearly wasn't public news. Interesting though, I didn't know what A- level koreans were asking. Edit: Kennigit beat me to it. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
So MOSTLY, the salary is just pocketed by the player. Plus if youre a pro, realistically you are: in your late teens / early 20's... don't have much to spend your money on anyways, so making anywhere from 10-50k is pretty sick and much more than most people of comparable age make unless they're engineers | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote: I cant really articulate how inappropriate i think it is to release information you learned while under the employment of a company, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances. Yep I agree. What's more is it just puts these players in nothing but a negative light. I like the info, but morally it's pretty fucking wrong to whine about shit like that on a public forum. | ||
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OKScottish
United States217 Posts
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djfoxmccloud
France185 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote: I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo. Hm i don't think it is confidential :/ If no NDA, then it's fine ! | ||
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KeyHunt
United States218 Posts
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:59 Xeris wrote: Most pro contracts have the salary + sponsor gear + flights paid for. I'm sure some people who go to Korea also have living expenses paid. So MOSTLY, the salary is just pocketed by the player. Plus if youre a pro, realistically you are: in your late teens / early 20's... don't have much to spend your money on anyways, so making anywhere from 10-50k is pretty sick and much more than most people of comparable age make unless they're engineers I make 34k/year in the military. + free college :D ez son also im only 18 | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:01 djfoxmccloud wrote: Hm i don't think it is confidential :/ If no NDA, then it's fine ! i said inappropriate. Not illegal. Would you hire someone who you know will release your trade secrets publicly? Its how you get blackballed in industries - happens regularly. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote: I cant really articulate how inappropriate i think it is to release information you learned while under the employment of a company, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances. Yea not exactly the most professional thing to do. Those salary requests are (not?) surprisingly low. The fact they are considered unreasonable shows how far esports has to go. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote: I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo. Hmm, I'm not releasing (nor do I know) actual $ figures of anyone's contracts, I'm just outlining what most people say players make. I also don't see the necessary harm in stating what a player might be asking for, although I guess I see your point ~_~! | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote: I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo. In other pro sports, contracts are (at least in most sports) public information, to protect the rights of players. I understand that it's in the team's best interest to keep contracts private, but what if we found out that EG was paying their players with similar results 5 times as much as Liquid? That's not fair to the players at all. Some transparency is necessary if we're going to have players compensated fairly. edit: I guess it doesn't need to be broadcasted publicly in this way but it shouldn't be something that's suppressed | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:59 Xeris wrote: Most pro contracts have the salary + sponsor gear + flights paid for. I'm sure some people who go to Korea also have living expenses paid. So MOSTLY, the salary is just pocketed by the player. Plus if youre a pro, realistically you are: in your late teens / early 20's... don't have much to spend your money on anyways, so making anywhere from 10-50k is pretty sick and much more than most people of comparable age make unless they're engineers Lol, you think this is just a hobby because they're young? Do you know the definition of professional? They're trying to make a living. Most of them don't attend school, or have a side job. They do this 8-12 hours a day 6 days a week. Job security is very low as well. If I made 20k a year for 5 years while working that hard and most likely no future once you get passed up (unless you're god damn boxer) I wouldn't say I was successful. They've got no other source of income unless you stream daily with a couple thousand viewers, and they aren't preparing for a career like engineering. It's important to realize short term careers like sports and esports. Even though some athletes make a lot of money, your career is over after 15 years. You gotta either pick up some work skills along the way, or make enough in your short career to make it worthwhile. The money just isn't there though in esports, that's the thing. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:01 KeyHunt wrote: People talking about how 1.5K a month is minimum wage need to realize that in the end, the community can only support what it can support..and that is definitely not every single full-time player making 50K a year..it's just not feasible. You also need to realize that is just pure salary, that doesn't include travel, accommodations, registration or anything else. That's the same for every salaried job. Benefits/taxes add a huge amount of cost to employees. Travel/accomodations/registration for SC2 players is nothing. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:03 corpuscle wrote: In other pro sports, contracts are (at least in most sports) public information, to protect the rights of players. I understand that it's in the team's best interest to keep contracts private, but what if we found out that EG was paying their players with similar results 5 times as much as Liquid? That's not fair to the players at all. Some transparency is necessary if we're going to have players compensated fairly. edit: I guess it doesn't need to be broadcasted publicly in this way but it shouldn't be something that's suppressed This. Right now everything is weighted in the Teams favor, if anything players should want their finances out there. | ||
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