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On January 16 2012 17:09 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 16 2012 16:59 Xeris wrote:
Most pro contracts have the salary + sponsor gear + flights paid for. I'm sure some people who go to Korea also have living expenses paid.
So MOSTLY, the salary is just pocketed by the player. Plus if youre a pro, realistically you are: in your late teens / early 20's... don't have much to spend your money on anyways, so making anywhere from 10-50k is pretty sick and much more than most people of comparable age make unless they're engineers Lol, you think this is just a hobby because they're young? Do you know the definition of professional? They're trying to make a living. Most of them don't attend school, or have a side job. They do this 8-12 hours a day 6 days a week. Job security is very low as well. If I made 20k a year for 5 years while working that hard and most likely no future once you get passed up (unless you're god damn boxer) I wouldn't say I was successful. They've got no other source of income unless you stream daily with a couple thousand viewers, and they aren't preparing for a career like engineering. The money just isn't there though, that's the thing. Almost 0 players in eSports will be able to retire off their winnings/salary when they quit gaming. You're looking at this from too much of a real-world perspective. Based on your argument, only Boxer-esque players should even bother being pros because almost nobody is going to make enough to retire
Not really trying to argue anything here, just stating it how it is.
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Kennigit
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On January 16 2012 17:12 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:06 Kennigit wrote:
thank you! And for reference, all of the teams and players know what each other make within a ball park - no player is under some NDA about his contract and everyone lets every team know when their contracts are up. The industry isn't at a stage where its worth making it public. I didn't know that it was generally known in the pro player community what player salaries are, my apologies. As long as the players know what a fair salary is, I could give two shits whether or not the community at large knows, since that doesn't matter at all.
Then we are set. Like for example, every player that is good/popular enough to cause a bidding war between teams will have a pretty "public" (industry wise) salary just by virtue of word of mouth. The fact that Xeris knows 1.5/3k is evidence enough. Its not uncommon for players to overvalue themselves. Its also not uncommon for teams to overpay. In general, theres a lot of room for growth, but its not an unfair system by any means - there are lots of players, lots of teams and a pretty regular cycle of contracts ending.
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On January 16 2012 17:11 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I don't really see why everyone is reacting to Xeris like this o.O
I'm not anywhere near influential and I already knew both the number for Sleep and SangHo's desired salaries. It's not like it was some large well-kept secret by Fnatic or anything...
It actually has nothing to do with Fnatic at all, I just was working with Fnatic at the time I found the figures out, which is why I mentioned it... it's not like Fnatic shared this secret with me that I then posted here, it came about by me asking if they were available because I was interested in seeing if I could recruit them, finding out what they were asking for, then realizing it was too much T_T
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Well in the IPL he all killed a few teams (millenium for example) which is no small task! good luck finding a team golden!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37061 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:15 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:11 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I don't really see why everyone is reacting to Xeris like this o.O
I'm not anywhere near influential and I already knew both the number for Sleep and SangHo's desired salaries. It's not like it was some large well-kept secret by Fnatic or anything... It actually has nothing to do with Fnatic at all, I just was working with Fnatic at the time I found the figures out, which is why I mentioned it... it's not like Fnatic shared this secret with me that I then posted here, it came about by me asking if they were available because I was interested in seeing if I could recruit them, finding out what they were asking for, then realizing it was too much T_T
XERIS!!! GOLDEN TO LIGHT GOGO!!!
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Slayers has many powerful pro-players.Golden was not the first choice by Boxer.So i think this would be better for Golden.GOOD LUCK.
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On January 16 2012 16:48 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 16:45 Diamond wrote:On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:
I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . Wow those are pretty high numbers. 0_o Anyone that pays $3k for SangHo is out of their minds. Hence why neither of them have found teams.
Duran coming out swinging with the real talk.
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On January 16 2012 17:14 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:09 Xeris wrote:On January 16 2012 17:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 16 2012 16:59 Xeris wrote:
Most pro contracts have the salary + sponsor gear + flights paid for. I'm sure some people who go to Korea also have living expenses paid.
So MOSTLY, the salary is just pocketed by the player. Plus if youre a pro, realistically you are: in your late teens / early 20's... don't have much to spend your money on anyways, so making anywhere from 10-50k is pretty sick and much more than most people of comparable age make unless they're engineers Lol, you think this is just a hobby because they're young? Do you know the definition of professional? They're trying to make a living. Most of them don't attend school, or have a side job. They do this 8-12 hours a day 6 days a week. Job security is very low as well. If I made 20k a year for 5 years while working that hard and most likely no future once you get passed up (unless you're god damn boxer) I wouldn't say I was successful. They've got no other source of income unless you stream daily with a couple thousand viewers, and they aren't preparing for a career like engineering. The money just isn't there though, that's the thing. Almost 0 players in eSports will be able to retire off their winnings/salary when they quit gaming. You're looking at this from too much of a real-world perspective. Based on your argument, only Boxer-esque players should even bother being pros because almost nobody is going to make enough to retire Not really trying to argue anything here, just stating it how it is.
Yea of course, for 90% of people, it makes more sense to go to school, get a "normal" job, and make money that way. But if everyone thought that way, there's be only 10 progamers and SC2 would be really, really boring!
Plus, if eSports ever grows to become mainstream and players start making millions of dollars... then it WILL become a viable dream and it WILL become possible for players to retire off salary/tournament winnings.
It's that dream that drives people, I"m sure
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On January 16 2012 16:46 Kennigit wrote:
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Agreed.
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A certain team leader is loaded enough to rent out a whole movie theatre just to have a date with his lovely girlfriend.... that's pretty baller if you ask me.
Who?
+ Show Spoiler +The emperor himself - his girlfriend wrote it on her tweet. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/O6PBt.jpg)
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What if Golden already has a team in mind?
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On January 16 2012 17:07 karpo wrote:
Sure, Golden might not win Dreamhack but didn't Sjow win alot of cash just cruising through alot of smaller tournaments online? I'm guessing Golden should be able to win alot of those.
I think most of SjoWs winnings came from bigger Lans (IEM Kiev, The Gathering, IeSF World Championship) or local lans. He won a ton of online cups too and made a couple thousand dollars from them but that get's pretty much dwarfed by the 12k $ from IeSF :p
Dunno if http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/88/jeffrey-brusi lists all online cup earnings from him.
+ I think >=50% of the online cups are EU based which is quite hard if you play from korea with high latency.
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How much this thread has to do with golden leaveing slayers : about 5%
How much this thread has to do with player salaries : about 95%
I made those numbers up. But still
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Didn't both Fruitdealer and Sangho's past salary amount with Startale was made public too? I see nothing wrong with that.
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On January 16 2012 16:56 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 16:52 Oiseaux wrote:On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:
I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . Are those figures monthly? Just curious, since I know nothing of SC2 progamer salaries (and have always been a bit curious). edit: nvm, answered. Monthly (not daily, lulz :D) Those figures are NOT close to being what most pros actually make, mind you. Salary ranges are like: GOD1 -- probably an even ungodlier amount! (jk i actually have no clue, but I'm making an assumption that his personal intel sponsorship is huge) GOD2 -- ungodly amount TIER 1 players -- around 30-50k per year range (rough estimate) TIER 2 -- around 15-25k per year range High skilled but less "famous" pros (aka TIER 3) -- probably 5-10k per year range Disclaimer: I actually have no idea what the actual player salaries are. These are rough estimates based on other information I know, and could be totally wrong. The only numbers I actually know are the salary requests of people like X AND Y because I've looked into recruiting them.
Wow I actually thought players made alot more then that, even tho its a rough estimate. I think I could actually sponsor a team by myself =o still tho, there's alot of t1/god2 players out there!
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On January 16 2012 17:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 16:56 Xeris wrote:On January 16 2012 16:52 Oiseaux wrote:On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:
I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . Are those figures monthly? Just curious, since I know nothing of SC2 progamer salaries (and have always been a bit curious). edit: nvm, answered. Monthly (not daily, lulz :D) Those figures are NOT close to being what most pros actually make, mind you. Salary ranges are like: GOD1 -- probably an even ungodlier amount! (jk i actually have no clue, but I'm making an assumption that his personal intel sponsorship is huge) GOD2 -- ungodly amount TIER 1 players -- around 30-50k per year range (rough estimate) TIER 2 -- around 15-25k per year range High skilled but less "famous" pros (aka TIER 3) -- probably 5-10k per year range Disclaimer: I actually have no idea what the actual player salaries are. These are rough estimates based on other information I know, and could be totally wrong. The only numbers I actually know are the salary requests of people like X AND Y because I've looked into recruiting them. Wow I actually thought players made alot more then that, even tho its a rough estimate. I think I could actually sponsor a team by myself =o still tho, there's alot of t1/god2 players out there!
You can sponsor team LighT! 
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On January 16 2012 16:55 Angelbelow wrote:
Its probably monthly. 1.5k isn't THAT big of an investment if its for the year.
Obviously. Or i would hire him to play with for team "insert my last name here" and be my personal practice partner
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On January 16 2012 17:20 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On January 16 2012 16:56 Xeris wrote:On January 16 2012 16:52 Oiseaux wrote:On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:
I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . Are those figures monthly? Just curious, since I know nothing of SC2 progamer salaries (and have always been a bit curious). edit: nvm, answered. Monthly (not daily, lulz :D) Those figures are NOT close to being what most pros actually make, mind you. Salary ranges are like: GOD1 -- probably an even ungodlier amount! (jk i actually have no clue, but I'm making an assumption that his personal intel sponsorship is huge) GOD2 -- ungodly amount TIER 1 players -- around 30-50k per year range (rough estimate) TIER 2 -- around 15-25k per year range High skilled but less "famous" pros (aka TIER 3) -- probably 5-10k per year range Disclaimer: I actually have no idea what the actual player salaries are. These are rough estimates based on other information I know, and could be totally wrong. The only numbers I actually know are the salary requests of people like X AND Y because I've looked into recruiting them. Wow I actually thought players made alot more then that, even tho its a rough estimate. I think I could actually sponsor a team by myself =o still tho, there's alot of t1/god2 players out there! You can sponsor team LighT!
haha! When I'm in a more stable position (Just took a loan for a house) I might just do that! LighT fighting!
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hypothetically, if he joined liquid. would he be willing to change his name to GoLd
Liquid Gold would perhaps be the best ID ever!
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On January 16 2012 17:19 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 16:56 Xeris wrote:On January 16 2012 16:52 Oiseaux wrote:On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:
I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . Are those figures monthly? Just curious, since I know nothing of SC2 progamer salaries (and have always been a bit curious). edit: nvm, answered. Monthly (not daily, lulz :D) Those figures are NOT close to being what most pros actually make, mind you. Salary ranges are like: GOD1 -- probably an even ungodlier amount! (jk i actually have no clue, but I'm making an assumption that his personal intel sponsorship is huge) GOD2 -- ungodly amount TIER 1 players -- around 30-50k per year range (rough estimate) TIER 2 -- around 15-25k per year range High skilled but less "famous" pros (aka TIER 3) -- probably 5-10k per year range Disclaimer: I actually have no idea what the actual player salaries are. These are rough estimates based on other information I know, and could be totally wrong. The only numbers I actually know are the salary requests of people like X AND Y because I've looked into recruiting them. Wow I actually thought players made alot more then that, even tho its a rough estimate. I think I could actually sponsor a team by myself =o still tho, there's alot of t1/god2 players out there!
I dont think that includes prize money etc
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On January 16 2012 17:22 skatblast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 16:55 Angelbelow wrote:
Its probably monthly. 1.5k isn't THAT big of an investment if its for the year. Obviously. Or i would hire him to play with for team "insert my last name here" and be my personal practice partner
omg, i just had an image of deezer hiring destiny o_0
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