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Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
January 16 2012 08:35 GMT
#121
Apparently Dragon just departed Slayers as well

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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 16 2012 08:35 GMT
#122
On January 16 2012 17:32 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 17:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?

$5k-$10k a month is above minimum wage....

I mean per year obviously.

As far as I'm aware, any player who puts in 40+ hours a week isn't on a contract below minimum wage.

You also have to look at it in terms of benefits, not just the actual cash payment.
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rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
January 16 2012 08:36 GMT
#123
On January 16 2012 17:35 Phobbers wrote:
Apparently Dragon just departed Slayers as well

https://twitter.com/#!/slayersdragon/status/158828584990031872

Are they actually being kicked out!?
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 16 2012 08:36 GMT
#124
On January 16 2012 17:35 Phobbers wrote:
Apparently Dragon just departed Slayers as well

https://twitter.com/#!/slayersdragon/status/158828584990031872

Iiiiiiinteresting. Wonder what's going on in SlayerS.

Well, Dragon won't be a big loss to them. Tbh, Dragon could probably make enough off of just streaming Destiny-style; he tends to pull in lots of viewers, right?
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 16 2012 08:36 GMT
#125
On January 16 2012 17:35 Phobbers wrote:
Apparently Dragon just departed Slayers as well

https://twitter.com/#!/slayersdragon/status/158828584990031872

Well, now this is starting to seem like BoxeR cutting players because the SlayerS roster is needlessly huge.
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Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
January 16 2012 08:37 GMT
#126
On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?


They aren't paying players for an obligatory amount of practice play. They're paying them to represent them; paying them for their public persona and results. A studio is going to pay Brad Pitt more than they would Joe-Blow-Getting-Into-The-Industry even if they put the same amount of time and quality of performance into a film. And hell, if you can get results without ever playing in free time, you're still going to have more value than someone who can't get results but still practices 40hr/week.
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
January 16 2012 08:39 GMT
#127
Probably because they have a lot of players. :|
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
January 16 2012 08:39 GMT
#128
On January 16 2012 17:37 Oiseaux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?


They aren't paying players for an obligatory amount of practice play. They're paying them to represent them; paying them for their public persona and results. A studio is going to pay Brad Pitt more than they would Joe-Blow-Getting-Into-The-Industry even if they put the same amount of time and quality of performance into a film. And hell, if you can get results without ever playing in free time, you're still going to have more value than someone who can't get results but still practices 40hr/week.

I understand that, but in some countries like here in the united states you are required to pay a minimum hourly wage (or equivalent salary) for a fulltime (40+ hours a week) job. So there is a bottom net which even the worst player can't fall below, assuming they are classified as a full-time employee.
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
January 16 2012 08:40 GMT
#129
24/7-Progamer_X - barely 1500us/month
24/7-Streamer_Y - 5000+us/month (streaming only)


What the fuck is wrong with that shit


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Regime
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia185 Posts
January 16 2012 08:40 GMT
#130
if u guys follow golden on stream he loves the non korean scene he likes tweeting to his non korean friends. i think itll b good for a foreign to pick him up,
Neelia
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany599 Posts
January 16 2012 08:41 GMT
#131
On January 16 2012 17:36 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 17:35 Phobbers wrote:
Apparently Dragon just departed Slayers as well

https://twitter.com/#!/slayersdragon/status/158828584990031872

Iiiiiiinteresting. Wonder what's going on in SlayerS.

Well, Dragon won't be a big loss to them. Tbh, Dragon could probably make enough off of just streaming Destiny-style; he tends to pull in lots of viewers, right?


His viewers have dropped by quite a bit over the last months I think/hope Dragon should be able to find a new team, cause he has a personality you can relate to. Something that most other korean pros lack/don't show.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
January 16 2012 08:41 GMT
#132
On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?

They pay you to play for them. It doesn't matter that you play 40 hours, 80 hours or 1 hour a week, as long as you pay for their name and have good result, they're satisfied. Of course each team has its own requirement also.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 16 2012 08:41 GMT
#133
On January 16 2012 17:39 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 17:37 Oiseaux wrote:
On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?


They aren't paying players for an obligatory amount of practice play. They're paying them to represent them; paying them for their public persona and results. A studio is going to pay Brad Pitt more than they would Joe-Blow-Getting-Into-The-Industry even if they put the same amount of time and quality of performance into a film. And hell, if you can get results without ever playing in free time, you're still going to have more value than someone who can't get results but still practices 40hr/week.

I understand that, but in some countries like here in the united states you are required to pay a minimum hourly wage (or equivalent salary) for a fulltime (40+ hours a week) job. So there is a bottom net which even the worst player can't fall below, assuming they are classified as a full-time employee.


Unless we know what the minimum wage is for Korea there is no way to know what that possible minimum is. Again, minimum wage is different for all countries. I do understand your logic though, even though players are paid based on results and talent, not amount of work (as it is for all sports).
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B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
January 16 2012 08:42 GMT
#134
I wonder if there will even be koreanen teams left with this current trend of looking for a foreign team..
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
January 16 2012 08:44 GMT
#135
On January 16 2012 17:41 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 17:39 Duravi wrote:
On January 16 2012 17:37 Oiseaux wrote:
On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?


They aren't paying players for an obligatory amount of practice play. They're paying them to represent them; paying them for their public persona and results. A studio is going to pay Brad Pitt more than they would Joe-Blow-Getting-Into-The-Industry even if they put the same amount of time and quality of performance into a film. And hell, if you can get results without ever playing in free time, you're still going to have more value than someone who can't get results but still practices 40hr/week.

I understand that, but in some countries like here in the united states you are required to pay a minimum hourly wage (or equivalent salary) for a fulltime (40+ hours a week) job. So there is a bottom net which even the worst player can't fall below, assuming they are classified as a full-time employee.


Unless we know what the minimum wage is for Korea there is no way to know what that possible minimum is. Again, minimum wage is different for all countries. I do understand your logic though, even though players are paid based on results and talent, not amount of work (as it is for all sports).

Don't most sports leagues have a minimum wage as well?

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/7/25/2293151/the-minimum-salaries-for-nfl-players-have-increased-by-55000-across

Minimum wage negotiated by the player's union.
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 08:46:49
January 16 2012 08:44 GMT
#136
Ah a shame dragon left slayers/got kicked out, He has a wonderful personality and is a decent gamer, hope someone picks him up soon. seems like slayers is cutting players for 2012. Maybe because they want to add others? Really need some new faces in Esports!

EDIT: Also, if koreans think that they will get easily picked up by foreign teams we might have a issue on our hands.
- They wont get the same practice schedule(which turn koreans to gods)
- They wont get the best of the best practice partners
- lesser korean teams might desolve!
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 08:45:56
January 16 2012 08:45 GMT
#137
On January 16 2012 17:39 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 17:37 Oiseaux wrote:
On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?


They aren't paying players for an obligatory amount of practice play. They're paying them to represent them; paying them for their public persona and results. A studio is going to pay Brad Pitt more than they would Joe-Blow-Getting-Into-The-Industry even if they put the same amount of time and quality of performance into a film. And hell, if you can get results without ever playing in free time, you're still going to have more value than someone who can't get results but still practices 40hr/week.

I understand that, but in some countries like here in the united states you are required to pay a minimum hourly wage (or equivalent salary) for a fulltime (40+ hours a week) job. So there is a bottom net which even the worst player can't fall below, assuming they are classified as a full-time employee.


The problem with your line of thinking is thinking of it as a minimum HOURLY wage. It's a contract, it's not an hourly wage. I would be very surprised if these contracts had stipulations about how much a player must play specifically in any given day/week/month etc. How much the person feels they need to play to honor the contract is completely on their end, not the teams.
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 16 2012 08:46 GMT
#138
On January 16 2012 17:41 Neelia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 17:36 babylon wrote:
On January 16 2012 17:35 Phobbers wrote:
Apparently Dragon just departed Slayers as well

https://twitter.com/#!/slayersdragon/status/158828584990031872

Iiiiiiinteresting. Wonder what's going on in SlayerS.

Well, Dragon won't be a big loss to them. Tbh, Dragon could probably make enough off of just streaming Destiny-style; he tends to pull in lots of viewers, right?


His viewers have dropped by quite a bit over the last months I think/hope Dragon should be able to find a new team, cause he has a personality you can relate to. Something that most other korean pros lack/don't show.

That's unfortunate. He doesn't really have any results, so he really needs to rely on his streaming.

Out of the former SlayerS players, I'd say Sleep is the one with the most skill/potential, but if he's asking for too much ... meh. Any reason why he's listed as TBA vs. N/A like the others on the SlayerS Liquipedia page?
djfoxmccloud
Profile Joined July 2011
France185 Posts
January 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#139
On January 16 2012 17:28 mTwTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 17:26 89andy wrote:
Now the question is who is in the so called GOD1 and GOD2 tiers haha. Less than 5 people combined in those two tiers I presume?


bro how many gods can there be? god1 is 1 person and god2 is 1 person



*whispers*
Before the edit it consisted of Boxer and Huk
paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
January 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#140
On January 16 2012 17:26 89andy wrote:
Now the question is who is in the so called GOD1 and GOD2 tiers haha. Less than 5 people combined in those two tiers I presume?


god1 is obviously boxer.......
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