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rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
January 16 2012 09:04 GMT
#161
On January 16 2012 18:03 Vaapad wrote:
EG.Dragon!
would be soooo awesome
not very likely though...

That would be kind of awkward with the whole EG SlayerS partnership lol
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
January 16 2012 09:04 GMT
#162
On January 16 2012 18:01 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:51 StarMoon wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . So crazy -- its why almost all the Koreans who post about looking for foreign team, still haven't found one T_T
1.5k/3k a month? a day? what?
And Kennigit's reaction, care to elaborate for those of us who are uninitiated?
I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo.

Did iNcontroL acctually do that or was that just an example?

Besides that-- It's sad they both had to leave the team hopefully they find new teams soon. I almost have a feeling that Dragon won't even look for a new team though. Also have to wonder how long Golden will be without a team considering Sleep is still teamless at this point ... could be a while :/


Example. Odd that he choose an EG member though.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 09:07:46
January 16 2012 09:06 GMT
#163
On January 16 2012 18:03 Vaapad wrote:
EG.Dragon!
would be soooo awesome
not very likely though...


By not likely you mean 0% right?

Dragon is a mid level Korean player at best and has a history of cheating and then going back on his promise to never compete again.

I personally would be shocked if any team bigger then say Light (no offense Xeris, just an example) picked him up. He may be funny on stream, but as a player he has next to no value.

I like the guy, but being an awesome streamer does not make you an awesome player worthy of being on EG.
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PrideNeverDie
Profile Joined November 2010
United States319 Posts
January 16 2012 09:06 GMT
#164
Min is next

man i had such high hopes for Min too!!
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Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 16 2012 09:07 GMT
#165
So basically professional players are doing great.

If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.

So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.

The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day.
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rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
January 16 2012 09:07 GMT
#166
On January 16 2012 18:04 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 18:01 yawnoC wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:51 StarMoon wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . So crazy -- its why almost all the Koreans who post about looking for foreign team, still haven't found one T_T
1.5k/3k a month? a day? what?
And Kennigit's reaction, care to elaborate for those of us who are uninitiated?
I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo.

Did iNcontroL acctually do that or was that just an example?

Besides that-- It's sad they both had to leave the team hopefully they find new teams soon. I almost have a feeling that Dragon won't even look for a new team though. Also have to wonder how long Golden will be without a team considering Sleep is still teamless at this point ... could be a while :/


Example. Odd that he choose an EG member though.

I think it is just a good example of someone notably leaving an organization, especially since Xeris was affiliated with NASL. I don't think the fact that he is EG has anything to do with it.
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Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
January 16 2012 09:07 GMT
#167
For all we know, "pray for me" is a google translate from the Korean equivalent of "wish me luck." Don't read too far into things.


Yeah ok, no need to act like that btw.

BTW guys it was Dragons destiny to leave slayers, hes really ''inactive'' and when was the last time we saw him in a real tournament?
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
January 16 2012 09:07 GMT
#168
On January 16 2012 18:04 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 18:01 yawnoC wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:51 StarMoon wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . So crazy -- its why almost all the Koreans who post about looking for foreign team, still haven't found one T_T
1.5k/3k a month? a day? what?
And Kennigit's reaction, care to elaborate for those of us who are uninitiated?
I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo.

Did iNcontroL acctually do that or was that just an example?

Besides that-- It's sad they both had to leave the team hopefully they find new teams soon. I almost have a feeling that Dragon won't even look for a new team though. Also have to wonder how long Golden will be without a team considering Sleep is still teamless at this point ... could be a while :/


Example. Odd that he choose an EG member though.


He obviously chose that example because iNcontroL was a huge part of NASL then left it, but left with a ton of knowledge about how NASL was being run. It's a good example.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
January 16 2012 09:08 GMT
#169
On January 16 2012 18:07 Zanazuah wrote:
Show nested quote +
For all we know, "pray for me" is a google translate from the Korean equivalent of "wish me luck." Don't read too far into things.


Yeah ok, no need to act like that btw.

BTW guys it was Dragons destiny to leave slayers, hes really ''inactive'' and when was the last time we saw him in a real tournament?

No need to act like that? I'm confused.
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skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
January 16 2012 09:09 GMT
#170
SK needs to sign these guys!! perfect opportunity,
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
January 16 2012 09:09 GMT
#171
On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.

If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.

So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.

The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day.


I would imagine with how much CatZ streams, that's where the majority of his current income is (ala Destiny).
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 09:11:15
January 16 2012 09:10 GMT
#172
On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.

If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.

So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.

The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day.


Actually I suspect Liquid players get paid very little, most of the support comes from access to the oGs-TL training environment and transportation plus hotel costs to tournaments.

Liquid has few sponsors compared to a team like EG, and those sponsors probably aren't spending as much money on them as the big sponsors EG has.

We have to remember, Liquid couldn't afford to keep Huk even though Huk was willing to stay with them for a significantly lower salary than EG was offering him, and Huk was probably their highest paid player.



Also, Tyler and Ret are notorious for their on/off practicing, and I don't think they would be allowed to do that if they were being paid a high salary.
rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
January 16 2012 09:10 GMT
#173
On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.

If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.

So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.

The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day.

I think many Players, though they might be grateful to be making a living doing something they love, would disagree on their situations being called great
eating corn while thinking about eating more corn
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27152 Posts
January 16 2012 09:12 GMT
#174
On January 16 2012 18:04 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 18:01 yawnoC wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:51 StarMoon wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . So crazy -- its why almost all the Koreans who post about looking for foreign team, still haven't found one T_T
1.5k/3k a month? a day? what?
And Kennigit's reaction, care to elaborate for those of us who are uninitiated?
I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo.

Did iNcontroL acctually do that or was that just an example?

Besides that-- It's sad they both had to leave the team hopefully they find new teams soon. I almost have a feeling that Dragon won't even look for a new team though. Also have to wonder how long Golden will be without a team considering Sleep is still teamless at this point ... could be a while :/


Example. Odd that he choose an EG member though.


Both Inc and Xeris were involved in NASL. Don't be stupid.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 16 2012 09:12 GMT
#175
Well Dragon was made himself pretty market through his stream so if he wants another team I'm sure he can find something. Golden is a very good player and as long as his expectations aren't too high he can find something too. Wish koreans would stop trying to find foreign teams though. >_<
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
January 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#176
Not surprising considering for many players struggling to get into Code A, joining a foreign team will give a better chance of netting money via either a salary or less contested tournaments.
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
January 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#177
GL to both in finding new teams. I have to admit, I am more surprised that SlayerS kept dragon on as long as they did. I only know what I've seen of him on his stream, and he has devolved into some kind of weird side show where he acts like a tard while trolling low leagues. Entertaining to some, I guess, but certainly didn't seem to fit the SlayerS "mold." I think him and Destiny would make a great team.
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 09:16:39
January 16 2012 09:13 GMT
#178
On January 16 2012 18:10 rUiNati0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.

If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.

So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.

The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day.

I think many Players, though they might be grateful to be making a living doing something they love, would disagree on their situations being called great


I don't know how anyone can not consider earning $20,000 a year or more from playing Starcraft to be a great situation.


On January 16 2012 18:10 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.

If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.

So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.

The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day.


Actually I suspect Liquid players get paid very little, most of the support comes from access to the oGs-TL training environment and transportation plus hotel costs to tournaments.

Liquid has few sponsors compared to a team like EG, and those sponsors probably aren't spending as much money on them as the big sponsors EG has.

We have to remember, Liquid couldn't afford to keep Huk even though Huk was willing to stay with them for a significantly lower salary than EG was offering him, and Huk was probably their highest paid player.



Also, Tyler and Ret are notorious for their on/off practicing, and I don't think they would be allowed to do that if they were being paid a high salary.


They couldn't afford to keep Huk but Huk is the second highest earner in the sport.

Liquid clearly must have a reasonable cash flow because they send their players to everything. Perhaps that's where all their budget goes and they don't pay much after that but it seems unlikely to me. Aside from EG I don't think any team is better at getting their players to events than TL.
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MooLen
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany501 Posts
January 16 2012 09:15 GMT
#179
Just a simpe question. Why would anyone leave a known korean team if he doesnt know what the future will bring to him??
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
January 16 2012 09:15 GMT
#180
On January 16 2012 18:13 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 18:10 rUiNati0n wrote:
On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.

If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.

So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.

The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day.

I think many Players, though they might be grateful to be making a living doing something they love, would disagree on their situations being called great


I don't know how anyone can not consider earning $20,000 a year or more from playing Starcraft to be a great situation.


Because these people are screwing up their education and the opportunity cost of playing SC2 professionally is very high. These guys would almost certainly make a lot more money if they went to university and then got a normal job.

When these guys finish SC2, many of them will not even have a high school diploma, and most won't have a university degree either, so it will be hard to get a good paying normal job after SC2.
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