EPTI'm sad about Dragon, he was bringing something different to SlayerS, hope he won't stop streaming.
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
I'm sad about Dragon, he was bringing something different to SlayerS, hope he won't stop streaming. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:15 MooLen wrote: Just a simpe question. Why would anyone leave a known korean team if he doesnt know what the future will bring to him?? Most likely, SlayerS is down sizing as contracts expire because they no longer have the $150,000 that Intel gave them for 2011. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:15 Zzoram wrote: Because these people are screwing up their education and the opportunity cost of playing SC2 professionally is very high. These guys would almost certainly make a lot more money if they went to university and then got a normal job. When these guys finish SC2, many of them will not even have a high school diploma, and most won't have a university degree either, so it will be hard to get a good paying normal job after SC2. It obviously depends on your country but in the UK there is absolutely no reason you can't finish high school because of Starcraft. You miss university sure but there's no reason you can't go later in life once you're done with Starcraft. | ||
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Tnerb
United States141 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:06 Diamond wrote: By not likely you mean 0% right? Dragon is a mid level Korean player at best and has a history of cheating and then going back on his promise to never compete again. I personally would be shocked if any team bigger then say Light (no offense Xeris, just an example) picked him up. He may be funny on stream, but as a player he has next to no value. I like the guy, but being an awesome streamer does not make you an awesome player worthy of being on EG. Disclosure: I have been a dragon fan since the very beginning (I also knew about his "cheating" incident since the beginning). I think its wrong to say that he has little to no value. What Dragon has (Despite his short comings regarding stream cheating) is a huge following of loyal fans that he has rightfully gained through his highly entertaining stream. Any of the "A-level" teams (EG, liquid, mouz, ect) would be lucky to have such a popular player. Heck, just recently we saw check 6 pickup that maximusblack guy because he has a popular youtube/stream. So if a team like that can pickup a diamond level player because he gets 500-1k viewers everytime he streams (and dont try to blow smoke up my ass telling me that x6 thinks he has "potential" and thats why they picked him up.) then surely they or any other foreign team should jump all over themselves and each other to grab such a ridiculously popular and entertaining GM level korean. This is all leaving out the fact that he is also highly talented despite how little and the way in which he practices. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:15 Zzoram wrote: Because these people are screwing up their education and the opportunity cost of playing SC2 professionally is very high. These guys would almost certainly make a lot more money if they went to university and then got a normal job. When these guys finish SC2, many of them will not even have a high school diploma, and most won't have a university degree either, so it will be hard to get a good paying normal job after SC2. Every industry has a risk. Some people end up making it like HuK or Boxer, some people don't. However if people like HuK did not take said risks we would have no pros......... | ||
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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:17 Zzoram wrote: Most likely, SlayerS is down sizing as contracts expire because they no longer have the $150,000 that Intel gave them for 2011. Considering Dragon was working and only playing part time from home I doubt he got a salary from Slayers. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
No need to act like that? I'm confused. I found it abit offensive your ''Dont read too deep into things'' | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:21 blade55555 wrote: Wiat dragon cheated? I did not know about this :O Stream cheating and maphacking. Don't worry though, no one heard about it they were too busy crucifying TT1. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dragon | ||
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:22 Zanazuah wrote: I found it abit offensive your ''Dont read too deep into things'' Not sure how you found that offensive, but also you should read post names once in a while. I was not the one who posted "Don't read too deep into things." | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:10 Zzoram wrote: Actually I suspect Liquid players get paid very little, most of the support comes from access to the oGs-TL training environment and transportation plus hotel costs to tournaments. Liquid has few sponsors compared to a team like EG, and those sponsors probably aren't spending as much money on them as the big sponsors EG has. We have to remember, Liquid couldn't afford to keep Huk even though Huk was willing to stay with them for a significantly lower salary than EG was offering him, and Huk was probably their highest paid player. Also, Tyler and Ret are notorious for their on/off practicing, and I don't think they would be allowed to do that if they were being paid a high salary. Auctally I think Liquid is one of the more wealthy teams. Think about the ad revine they get from all liquid's sites. Both Liquid poker and Teamliquid (this site) make tons via ad revune. Back when I was running a website I would get a ceratin amount of money per person viewing my webiste. They go my views per thousand. so liquid has thousands of pages with 2 ads per page. and thousands of people viewing liquid at any time. Liquid site's can easily pull in a lot of money. the difference between EG and Liquid is that Liquid for the most part is self supported. with the exception of a few sponsors (awesome ones at that) and EG has no self-supported revune, all of their money is sponsor supported. if they lost all their sponsors, they would likely be out of money and would close. | ||
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rUiNati0n
United States1155 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:19 Tnerb wrote: Disclosure: I have been a dragon fan since the very beginning (I also knew about his "cheating" incident since the beginning). I think its wrong to say that he has little to no value. What Dragon has (Despite his short comings regarding stream cheating) is a huge following of loyal fans that he has rightfully gained through his highly entertaining stream. Any of the "A-level" teams (EG, liquid, mouz, ect) would be lucky to have such a popular player. Heck, just recently we saw check 6 pickup that maximusblack guy because he has a popular youtube/stream. So if a team like that can pickup a diamond level player because he gets 500-1k viewers everytime he streams (and dont try to blow smoke up my ass telling me that x6 thinks he has "potential" and thats why they picked him up.) then surely they or any other foreign team should jump all over themselves and each other to grab such a ridiculously popular and entertaining GM level korean. This is all leaving out the fact that he is also highly talented despite how little and the way in which he practices. I agree with you that Dragon has a lot of value as a popular player. While I seriously doubt one of the big name teams would be willing to pick up Dragon. I could see him getting picked by one of the smaller more stream oriented teams. That said. this depends on how much money Dragon is expecting/needs. I don't think his cheating issues will be much of a problem as it has been largely ignored for some reason. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:26 Inori wrote: Yeah, difference is that in any given field (programming for examle) all you need to do is break top50% to start earning as much, if not more, than top 0.005% in gaming. However in said industries you are not swamped with opportunities to make $50k+ in a weekend, on a frequent basis. This is no different from ANY pro sport, the best make the most, the rest have to risk it to make it big. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:18 Seraphone wrote: It obviously depends on your country but in the UK there is absolutely no reason you can't finish high school because of Starcraft. You miss university sure but there's no reason you can't go later in life once you're done with Starcraft. The situation, AFAIK, kind of sucks in Korea unless you're kind of like Polt. Your exams in high school determine where you're going to go for college, and the caliber of the college you attend determines the rest of your life. A lot of progamers in Korea are looked down upon as being those who didn't do well in school (which makes sense; if you're spending so much time playing games, you're not going to do well academically), so many of them aren't going to have a particularly stellar life after they quit progaming. And it's not just the people who don't make it; you have some successful progamers expressing some regret as well. NaDa's said before that he's kind of sad he's never got to live a normal life, and Moon's mentioned the same thing before as well in an interview, suggesting that if he'd had the chance to do it all over again, he'd rather go to college instead. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:26 Inori wrote: You're forgetting that "your standard 18-23 year old" is getting actual real-world experience in a field of his choice. 10-15 years from now they will be working as lead specialists in that field. I can't imagine anyone still playing video games for a living at 35-40 (I mean there certainly will be somebody doing so, but it will be very RARE), so those pro-gamers 10-15 years from now will be way behind. Unless of course they play it smart and be both a pro-gamer and finish education (ex. qxc). Yeah, difference is that in any given field (programming for examle) all you need to do is break top50% to start earning as much, if not more, than top 0.005% in gaming. Don't pretend that every pro gamer would otherwise be a Doctor, accountant, engineer etc.. I'm guessing most would either be working retail or something to do with IT. Which isn't exactly something where it matters that you get in there a few years late. I'll willing to bet that not a single pro gamer would have made more money this year than the top Sc2 players have done if they got a 'normal job' and certainly none would have made more than Mvp. | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
Not sure how you found that offensive, but also you should read post names once in a while. I was not the one who posted "Don't read too deep into things." My bad when I talk to someone on forums i always expect that specific person to reply me, no1 else but yeah | ||
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89andy
Canada192 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:19 Tnerb wrote: Disclosure: I have been a dragon fan since the very beginning (I also knew about his "cheating" incident since the beginning). I think its wrong to say that he has little to no value. What Dragon has (Despite his short comings regarding stream cheating) is a huge following of loyal fans that he has rightfully gained through his highly entertaining stream. Any of the "A-level" teams (EG, liquid, mouz, ect) would be lucky to have such a popular player. Heck, just recently we saw check 6 pickup that maximusblack guy because he has a popular youtube/stream. So if a team like that can pickup a diamond level player because he gets 500-1k viewers everytime he streams (and dont try to blow smoke up my ass telling me that x6 thinks he has "potential" and thats why they picked him up.) then surely they or any other foreign team should jump all over themselves and each other to grab such a ridiculously popular and entertaining GM level korean. This is all leaving out the fact that he is also highly talented despite how little and the way in which he practices. don't know about "lucky" with EG having two of the most popular figures in exports already. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:32 89andy wrote: don't know about "lucky" with EG having two of the most popular figures in exports already. Now let's not pretend being popular in SC2 = being popular in eSports ... | ||
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