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On January 16 2012 18:57 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:47 Diamond wrote:On January 16 2012 18:44 Inori wrote:On January 16 2012 18:31 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 18:26 Inori wrote:On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day. You're forgetting that "your standard 18-23 year old" is getting actual real-world experience in a field of his choice. 10-15 years from now they will be working as lead specialists in that field. I can't imagine anyone still playing video games for a living at 35-40 (I mean there certainly will be somebody doing so, but it will be very RARE), so those pro-gamers 10-15 years from now will be way behind. Unless of course they play it smart and be both a pro-gamer and finish education (ex. qxc). On January 16 2012 18:19 Diamond wrote:On January 16 2012 18:15 Zzoram wrote:On January 16 2012 18:13 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 18:10 rUiNati0n wrote:On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day. I think many Players, though they might be grateful to be making a living doing something they love, would disagree on their situations being called great I don't know how anyone can not consider earning $20,000 a year or more from playing Starcraft to be a great situation. Because these people are screwing up their education and the opportunity cost of playing SC2 professionally is very high. These guys would almost certainly make a lot more money if they went to university and then got a normal job. When these guys finish SC2, many of them will not even have a high school diploma, and most won't have a university degree either, so it will be hard to get a good paying normal job after SC2. Every industry has a risk. Some people end up making it like HuK or Boxer, some people don't. However if people like HuK did not take said risks we would have no pros......... Yeah, difference is that in any given field (programming for examle) all you need to do is break top50% to start earning as much, if not more, than top 0.005% in gaming. Don't pretend that every pro gamer would otherwise be a Doctor, accountant, engineer etc.. I'm guessing most would either be working retail or something to do with IT. Which isn't exactly something where it matters that you get in there a few years late. I'll willing to bet that not a single pro gamer would have made more money this year than the top Sc2 players have done if they got a 'normal job' and certainly none would have made more than Mvp. Actually, with the amount and variety of skills required to break even $20k/y, I'm pretty sure they might as well be a doctor, accountant, engineer, etc. Not that hard. Difference between pro-gaming and real-life careers is that in real-life talented people earn shit-tons, but even when you're not talented and just put in decent hours into education/experience, you will be earning huge amounts. In pro-gaming it's literally all or nothing. TL;DR: 100% good salary vs 0.005% great salary. You have a very warped sense of reality. Also to throw this out there, Destiny cleaned carpets, CatZ was a waiter (iirc), and iNcontoL worked at Gamestop all before SC2. I could probably come up with many examples but being good at SC2 does not make you a rocket scientist lololol........... Get off your high horse and let people live their lives the way they want. Who the hell are you to lecture them for pursuing a dream? Whaaat?.. I don't even... I thought I was expressing my opinion on arbitrary subject on teh internets, thanks for clearing that up for me! As for "Destiny cleaned carpets, CatZ was a waiter (iirc), and iNcontoL worked at Gamestop", didn't we all at some point? I used to clean toilets at McDonalds at night.
My first real job was at a think tank 
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On January 16 2012 18:51 Tnerb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:44 Inori wrote:On January 16 2012 18:31 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 18:26 Inori wrote:On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day. You're forgetting that "your standard 18-23 year old" is getting actual real-world experience in a field of his choice. 10-15 years from now they will be working as lead specialists in that field. I can't imagine anyone still playing video games for a living at 35-40 (I mean there certainly will be somebody doing so, but it will be very RARE), so those pro-gamers 10-15 years from now will be way behind. Unless of course they play it smart and be both a pro-gamer and finish education (ex. qxc). On January 16 2012 18:19 Diamond wrote:On January 16 2012 18:15 Zzoram wrote:On January 16 2012 18:13 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 18:10 rUiNati0n wrote:On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day. I think many Players, though they might be grateful to be making a living doing something they love, would disagree on their situations being called great I don't know how anyone can not consider earning $20,000 a year or more from playing Starcraft to be a great situation. Because these people are screwing up their education and the opportunity cost of playing SC2 professionally is very high. These guys would almost certainly make a lot more money if they went to university and then got a normal job. When these guys finish SC2, many of them will not even have a high school diploma, and most won't have a university degree either, so it will be hard to get a good paying normal job after SC2. Every industry has a risk. Some people end up making it like HuK or Boxer, some people don't. However if people like HuK did not take said risks we would have no pros......... Yeah, difference is that in any given field (programming for examle) all you need to do is break top50% to start earning as much, if not more, than top 0.005% in gaming. Don't pretend that every pro gamer would otherwise be a Doctor, accountant, engineer etc.. I'm guessing most would either be working retail or something to do with IT. Which isn't exactly something where it matters that you get in there a few years late. I'll willing to bet that not a single pro gamer would have made more money this year than the top Sc2 players have done if they got a 'normal job' and certainly none would have made more than Mvp. Actually, with the amount and variety of skills required to break even $20k/y, I'm pretty sure they might as well be a doctor, accountant, engineer, etc. Not that hard. Difference between pro-gaming and real-life careers is that in real-life talented people earn shit-tons, but even when you're not talented and just put in decent hours into education/experience, you will be earning huge amounts. In pro-gaming it's literally all or nothing. TL;DR: 100% good salary vs 0.005% great salary. What you seem to be forgetting or just ignoring is that making the most money possible isn't the top priority for everyone. Some people (myself included) would be perfectly happy living on 20k a year doing something that they love. Kind of sad to me to see so many people caught up in making as much money as possible so that they can have "stuff" a fancy car that talks to them or some piece of jewelry that sparkles. Gotta have that 52" plasma cause it would just be impossible to enjoy life while watching a 32" tv.
Or you know, hopes of supporting a family one day...
Kinda hard to do on 20k/yr, not impossible though, but I imagine its kinda hard.
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... As one of my best korean friends I'm so sad about this, he just ruined his entire career and is going to suicide his skill/potential in a foreign team unless it's something like Liquid or maybe Fnatic with the route they're going in with the korean-academy etc.
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could see dragon getting picked up, his stream is fairly popular so at least he has that going for him. not sure why golden would leave a big tteam like slayers with no real accomplishments or popularity.
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On January 16 2012 18:59 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:51 Tnerb wrote:On January 16 2012 18:44 Inori wrote:On January 16 2012 18:31 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 18:26 Inori wrote:On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day. You're forgetting that "your standard 18-23 year old" is getting actual real-world experience in a field of his choice. 10-15 years from now they will be working as lead specialists in that field. I can't imagine anyone still playing video games for a living at 35-40 (I mean there certainly will be somebody doing so, but it will be very RARE), so those pro-gamers 10-15 years from now will be way behind. Unless of course they play it smart and be both a pro-gamer and finish education (ex. qxc). On January 16 2012 18:19 Diamond wrote:On January 16 2012 18:15 Zzoram wrote:On January 16 2012 18:13 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 18:10 rUiNati0n wrote:On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day. I think many Players, though they might be grateful to be making a living doing something they love, would disagree on their situations being called great I don't know how anyone can not consider earning $20,000 a year or more from playing Starcraft to be a great situation. Because these people are screwing up their education and the opportunity cost of playing SC2 professionally is very high. These guys would almost certainly make a lot more money if they went to university and then got a normal job. When these guys finish SC2, many of them will not even have a high school diploma, and most won't have a university degree either, so it will be hard to get a good paying normal job after SC2. Every industry has a risk. Some people end up making it like HuK or Boxer, some people don't. However if people like HuK did not take said risks we would have no pros......... Yeah, difference is that in any given field (programming for examle) all you need to do is break top50% to start earning as much, if not more, than top 0.005% in gaming. Don't pretend that every pro gamer would otherwise be a Doctor, accountant, engineer etc.. I'm guessing most would either be working retail or something to do with IT. Which isn't exactly something where it matters that you get in there a few years late. I'll willing to bet that not a single pro gamer would have made more money this year than the top Sc2 players have done if they got a 'normal job' and certainly none would have made more than Mvp. Actually, with the amount and variety of skills required to break even $20k/y, I'm pretty sure they might as well be a doctor, accountant, engineer, etc. Not that hard. Difference between pro-gaming and real-life careers is that in real-life talented people earn shit-tons, but even when you're not talented and just put in decent hours into education/experience, you will be earning huge amounts. In pro-gaming it's literally all or nothing. TL;DR: 100% good salary vs 0.005% great salary. What you seem to be forgetting or just ignoring is that making the most money possible isn't the top priority for everyone. Some people (myself included) would be perfectly happy living on 20k a year doing something that they love. Kind of sad to me to see so many people caught up in making as much money as possible so that they can have "stuff" a fancy car that talks to them or some piece of jewelry that sparkles. Gotta have that 52" plasma cause it would just be impossible to enjoy life while watching a 32" tv. Or you know, hopes of supporting a family one day... Kinda hard to do on 20k/yr, not impossible though, but I imagine its kinda hard.
Depends where you live. There's tons of kids in this thread who really don't know what the real world is like. Making 20k a year at 18-21 years old is extremely good in the UK and I imagine most of Europe nevermind how good it is in a country like Poland or Ukraine. Nevermind that while you earn 20k a year you're always only one good tournament a way from increasing that massively in only a weekend of play.
Nor do any players live in the world of 1984 which a lot of people here seem to think where you're bound for life to the career you pick at 16.
Pro gamers have their entire lives before them, nothing wrong at all in taking a few years out to get paid more than their friends for playing games and travelling the world.
They're getting a great deal.
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If you're looking for a community where all semi-great players can make a killing at Starcraft, you're living in a fantasy world right now. It isn't teams job to throw themselves into debt giving players amounts of money they are simply not worth or can provide a return on. It is their job to give them a fair estimate of what they're worth, and make them an offer. Sorry if people thought it was something a bit more magical...but it's simply reality.
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On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day.
Yeah, in the short-term. The thing is, time spent developing a career or getting an education generally pays off far more, but in the long-term. A progamer might make more than the average 18-23 year old, but if you add up the total amount earned in say 20 years, the average 18-23 year old will be leagues ahead. Of course, by average 18-23 year old, I mean the average educated person in that group.
The point is being a progamer is a risk because it involves sacrificing your long-term future for a short burst of cash (which may not even come). Yeah they can go to school later in life, but let's be honest here -- no one is getting a job if they're 30, just graduated, and have no work experience. This is especially true in professional fields.
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Doesn't Dragon have a full time/part time job anyway? If so he doesn't totally rely on his streaming. He still pulls well over 1k viewers when I look, although I don't watch him that much so I could be mistaken. He's a cool guy, best of luck to him.
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On January 16 2012 19:06 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day. Yeah, in the short-term. The thing is, time spent developing a career or getting an education generally pays off far more, but in the long-term. A progamer might make more than the average 18-23 year old, but if you add up the total amount earned in say 20 years, the average 18-23 year old will be leagues ahead. Of course, by average 18-23 year old, I mean the average educated person in that group. The point is being a progamer is a risk because it involves sacrificing your long-term future for a short burst of cash (which may not even come). Yeah they can go to school later in life, but let's be honest here -- no one is getting a job if they're 30, just graduated, and have no work experience. This is especially true in professional fields.
Read up. Destiny cleaned carpets before this, incontrol worked in a gamestop and HD worked in McDonalds. Fruitdealer sold fruit at his parents shop.
The pro Sc2 world is not full of would be Doctors, Lawyers and accountants.
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While everyone is talking about salaries, I'm more curious on what Slayers is planning to do with their extra team space now.
It's possible they simple felt they got too many players, they do have quite a line up, or they may be looking for new candidates if they are cleaning house a little, so to say.
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Dragon leaving due to him being hated for the cheating scandal and getting flak for getting into the GSL?
Golden is 17 and is perhaps a bit deluded thinking he'll get a contract with a foreign team just by being korean?
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On January 16 2012 19:10 karpo wrote:
Dragon leaving due to him being hated for the cheating scandal and getting flak for getting into the GSL?
Golden is 17 and is perhaps a bit deluded thinking he'll get a contract with a foreign team just by being korean?
I think Golden is actually a really good player, but as Xeris pointed out before winning isn't that important where a players value is concerned especially as we're not talking about players who can win tournaments.
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On January 16 2012 18:58 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:57 Inori wrote:On January 16 2012 18:47 Diamond wrote:On January 16 2012 18:44 Inori wrote:On January 16 2012 18:31 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 18:26 Inori wrote:On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day. You're forgetting that "your standard 18-23 year old" is getting actual real-world experience in a field of his choice. 10-15 years from now they will be working as lead specialists in that field. I can't imagine anyone still playing video games for a living at 35-40 (I mean there certainly will be somebody doing so, but it will be very RARE), so those pro-gamers 10-15 years from now will be way behind. Unless of course they play it smart and be both a pro-gamer and finish education (ex. qxc). On January 16 2012 18:19 Diamond wrote:On January 16 2012 18:15 Zzoram wrote:On January 16 2012 18:13 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 18:10 rUiNati0n wrote:
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I think many Players, though they might be grateful to be making a living doing something they love, would disagree on their situations being called great I don't know how anyone can not consider earning $20,000 a year or more from playing Starcraft to be a great situation. Because these people are screwing up their education and the opportunity cost of playing SC2 professionally is very high. These guys would almost certainly make a lot more money if they went to university and then got a normal job. When these guys finish SC2, many of them will not even have a high school diploma, and most won't have a university degree either, so it will be hard to get a good paying normal job after SC2. Every industry has a risk. Some people end up making it like HuK or Boxer, some people don't. However if people like HuK did not take said risks we would have no pros......... Yeah, difference is that in any given field (programming for examle) all you need to do is break top50% to start earning as much, if not more, than top 0.005% in gaming. Don't pretend that every pro gamer would otherwise be a Doctor, accountant, engineer etc.. I'm guessing most would either be working retail or something to do with IT. Which isn't exactly something where it matters that you get in there a few years late. I'll willing to bet that not a single pro gamer would have made more money this year than the top Sc2 players have done if they got a 'normal job' and certainly none would have made more than Mvp. Actually, with the amount and variety of skills required to break even $20k/y, I'm pretty sure they might as well be a doctor, accountant, engineer, etc. Not that hard. Difference between pro-gaming and real-life careers is that in real-life talented people earn shit-tons, but even when you're not talented and just put in decent hours into education/experience, you will be earning huge amounts. In pro-gaming it's literally all or nothing. TL;DR: 100% good salary vs 0.005% great salary. You have a very warped sense of reality. Also to throw this out there, Destiny cleaned carpets, CatZ was a waiter (iirc), and iNcontoL worked at Gamestop all before SC2. I could probably come up with many examples but being good at SC2 does not make you a rocket scientist lololol........... Get off your high horse and let people live their lives the way they want. Who the hell are you to lecture them for pursuing a dream? Whaaat?.. I don't even... I thought I was expressing my opinion on arbitrary subject on teh internets, thanks for clearing that up for me! As for "Destiny cleaned carpets, CatZ was a waiter (iirc), and iNcontoL worked at Gamestop", didn't we all at some point? I used to clean toilets at McDonalds at night. My first real job was at a think tank
For what?
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On January 16 2012 19:09 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 19:06 hmunkey wrote:On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day. Yeah, in the short-term. The thing is, time spent developing a career or getting an education generally pays off far more, but in the long-term. A progamer might make more than the average 18-23 year old, but if you add up the total amount earned in say 20 years, the average 18-23 year old will be leagues ahead. Of course, by average 18-23 year old, I mean the average educated person in that group. The point is being a progamer is a risk because it involves sacrificing your long-term future for a short burst of cash (which may not even come). Yeah they can go to school later in life, but let's be honest here -- no one is getting a job if they're 30, just graduated, and have no work experience. This is especially true in professional fields. Read up. Destiny cleaned carpets before this, incontrol worked in a gamestop and HD worked in McDonalds. Fruitdealer sold fruit at his parents shop. The pro Sc2 world is not full of would be Doctors, Lawyers and accountants.
And is there any reason in particular they couldn't go to college?
I worked minimum wage jobs in the past too. The thing is, I went to college and invested in myself rather than stay there. Yeah, it sucks to be poor, but it's not uncommon in the slightest.
It's not generally the best decision to be a progamer unless you can reach the highest tier. If you're putting years into your game, you're letting the clock tick on the time you have left to actually get an education and have it be financially useful.
The pro SC2 would could easily be full of would-be doctors, lawyers, etc. These are intelligent people who have shown they can dedicate themselves to a task. It's going to come back and hurt a lot of progamers in a few years if/when esports has either died down or they're unable to stay even at the mid/low-level of progaming. It sucks, but it's inevitable.
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Not Dragon!
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On January 16 2012 17:06 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:06 KeyHunt wrote:On January 16 2012 17:03 corpuscle wrote:On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote:
I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo. In other pro sports, contracts are (at least in most sports) public information, to protect the rights of players. I understand that it's in the team's best interest to keep contracts private, but what if we found out that EG was paying their players with similar results 5 times as much as Liquid? That's not fair to the players at all. Some transparency is necessary if we're going to have players compensated fairly. edit: I guess it doesn't need to be broadcasted publicly in this way but it shouldn't be something that's suppressed If this community decided what was "fair" then every organization would be broke as dirt lol. It's not just the players that have a complete disconnect from reality, it's the community to when it comes to how much players are worth, get, deserve, etc. thank you! And for reference, all of the teams and players know what each other make within a ball park - no player is under some NDA about his contract and everyone lets every team know when their contracts are up. The industry isn't at a stage where its worth making it public.
O.o
It's basically creating a "problem", and stating that problem as reason why it shouldnt/cant be fixed.
If everything was public, the community's illusion about player worth wouldnt exist, or at the very least much much smaller. The very reason this illusion exists is that contract are not public, which makes the average Joe consider them much more of "stars" than what they really are. Now this might have other benefits, such as drawing more attention to SC2 overall, both players (who want this "star value") and viewers (who wants to watch these "star players"), but its also one of the main reason this illusion exists. A lot of people think pros make waaaaay more than they do.
And im obviously not experienced too much in what the players think of themselves, but I've heard people saying players overvalue themselves often too. Thats another problem which likely would be much smaller if everyone knew how much people were making. Would Koreans really ask for this much money if they knew how much the average foreign player was making (and maybe more importantly, why they are making that much, marketability etc)?
In the end, there are very few occasions where transparency is a bad thing, and you're gonna have to come up with a lot better stuff than that to convince people.
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On January 16 2012 19:15 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 19:09 Seraphone wrote:On January 16 2012 19:06 hmunkey wrote:On January 16 2012 18:07 Seraphone wrote:
So basically professional players are doing great.
If a guy like Catz comes under Tier 3 of Xeris's guide then he's earning $5-10k a year from salary, plus free transport/accomodation at events, plus he's won $5000 and he has his stream money.
So basically he's earning a solid wage playing games all day despite being a largely unremarkable player.
The higher end guys Ret, Thorzain, TLO, Morrow etc.. are making way more money than your standard 18-23 year old makes and they get to play games all day. Yeah, in the short-term. The thing is, time spent developing a career or getting an education generally pays off far more, but in the long-term. A progamer might make more than the average 18-23 year old, but if you add up the total amount earned in say 20 years, the average 18-23 year old will be leagues ahead. Of course, by average 18-23 year old, I mean the average educated person in that group. The point is being a progamer is a risk because it involves sacrificing your long-term future for a short burst of cash (which may not even come). Yeah they can go to school later in life, but let's be honest here -- no one is getting a job if they're 30, just graduated, and have no work experience. This is especially true in professional fields. Read up. Destiny cleaned carpets before this, incontrol worked in a gamestop and HD worked in McDonalds. Fruitdealer sold fruit at his parents shop. The pro Sc2 world is not full of would be Doctors, Lawyers and accountants. And is there any reason in particular they couldn't go to college? I worked minimum wage jobs in the past too. The thing is, I went to college and invested in myself rather than stay there. Yeah, it sucks to be poor, but it's not uncommon in the slightest. It's not generally the best decision to be a progamer unless you can reach the highest tier. If you're putting years into your game, you're letting the clock tick on the time you have left to actually get an education and have it be financially useful. The pro SC2 would could easily be full of would-be doctors, lawyers, etc. These are intelligent people who have shown they can dedicate themselves to a task. It's going to come back and hurt a lot of progamers in a few years if/when esports has either died down or they're unable to stay even at the mid/low-level of progaming. It sucks, but it's inevitable.
You're completely dodging the point now. A) Most if not all pro gamers don't have amazing career prospects where they would otherwise be working a 50k a year job or even in an industry where that's a natural progression and B) If they do then they can be put on all anyway.
There's zero reason why going to university 3-5 years later (which is your career length at best unless you're Boxer/Nada) will have a massive impact on your life.
If they can go to college after cleaning carpets they can do it after working as a pro gamer too.
But it isn't full of would be doctors. You can say they could be but you're just throwing mindless bullshit out there, where as I and others are telling you what actual pro gamers were doing before they became pro gamers and it sure as hell wasn't med school or studying for the Harvard entrance exams. The dedicating yourself to a task thing is just absurd. Football players are dedicated to a task too, but 95% of them can't even speak in proper English. Being good at Starcraft doesn't mean you can master the infinite complexities of the human body.
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NOOO DRAGON This makes me so sad! He was my favorite streamer and I really thought he added a lot of charisma to the SlayerS roster! Good luck in all your future endeavors!
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