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On January 16 2012 16:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
It's not just about salary. It's about participating in foreign events. SlayerS won't send a B roster zerg to foreign tournaments, but a foreign team would. A lot of these guys can't make it into the GSL. Join a foreign team and you get to participate a lot more. It's somewhat of a double edged sword, really. What good is being a pro gamer if you can't compete in tournaments? But then you're probably only bringing down your skill level in the future and looking for mediocre results.
Well I think you hit the nail on the head, except for the part about making money in the foreign scene. I always thought Puma was incredibly smart/lucky for joining a foreign team as early as he did and getting into NASL. Puma has still not been able to get into Code A, yet he is far better than most foreigners and because of this, stomps tourneys and earns as much as some of the top Code S players, same goes for Hero.
The point I am trying to make is for the lower level koreans, why would you try to compete with Nestea MVP etc for winning Code S when you can travel to foreign tourneys with large and getting larger prize pools. For a guy like Golden, he has a much better chance of winning money overseas then he does of making money in the GSL, the hardest tournament to win and to get into in the sc2 world
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i know who god1 and god2 are, they very god moola users
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On January 16 2012 17:14 Kennigit wrote:
Then we are set. Like for example, every player that is good/popular enough to cause a bidding war between teams will have a pretty "public" (industry wise) salary just by virtue of word of mouth. The fact that Xeris knows 1.5/3k is evidence enough. Its not uncommon for players to overvalue themselves. Its also not uncommon for teams to overpay. In general, theres a lot of room for growth, but its not an unfair system by any means - there are lots of players, lots of teams and a pretty regular cycle of contracts ending.
I agree, it's perfectly fair as long as there's some benchmark idea of what pro players at a given skill level should earn. It's a little weird that we as a community don't know what it is, but I assume that it's something you end up learning when you're high enough level that you're interacting with pros on a consistent basis?
My only concern is players like ostojiy or snute (just examples off the top of my head) that are sort of breaking into the scene might not have the same access to other pros that established players do. It's hard for me to say that Haypro is significantly better than ostojiy, for example, but since he's been established in the scene for forever, he has the privilege of information that others who have the same talent may not.
And just to be clear, I'm coming at this from a complete lack of information, and I don't want to accuse anyone of causing some injustice; I'm just curious about the inner workings of the scene that we don't really get to see as spectators.
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Now the question is who is in the so called GOD1 and GOD2 tiers haha. Less than 5 people combined in those two tiers I presume?
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On January 16 2012 17:24 FXOpen wrote:
I kind of back up Xeris, but sometimes its inflated much further than what he has stated. I don't have experience with those players specifically, but in my experience someone said "I am worth 5k a month + travel any place I want to go".
That person has not won a major tournament.. ever.
Thats a total package of about 150k if you travel to every major event. A bit much considering the cash in for e-sports companies.
If you said that even before I saw the numbers from Xeris, I would still think that whoever that is is crazy high.
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On January 16 2012 17:26 89andy wrote:
Now the question is who is in the so called GOD1 and GOD2 tiers haha. Less than 5 people combined in those two tiers I presume?
bro how many gods can there be? god1 is 1 person and god2 is 1 person
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I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?
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Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on prayer O.o
Ok but it was still religious!
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I hope Golden knows what he is getting into. Good luck Golden !!!
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On January 16 2012 17:29 Zanazuah wrote:
Ok but it was still religious!
For all we know, "pray for me" is a google translate from the Korean equivalent of "wish me luck." Don't read too far into things.
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On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?
$5k-$10k a month is above minimum wage....
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?
Minimum wage is different for all countries.
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On January 16 2012 17:27 Oiseaux wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:24 FXOpen wrote:
I kind of back up Xeris, but sometimes its inflated much further than what he has stated. I don't have experience with those players specifically, but in my experience someone said "I am worth 5k a month + travel any place I want to go".
That person has not won a major tournament.. ever.
Thats a total package of about 150k if you travel to every major event. A bit much considering the cash in for e-sports companies. If you said that even before I saw the numbers from Xeris, I would still think that whoever that is is crazy high.
Thats whats going on in the industry at the moment.
There is not enough exposure out there right now to justify such huge investments.
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On January 16 2012 17:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage? $5k-$10k a month is above minimum wage....
I mean per year obviously.
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On January 16 2012 17:06 ObliviousNA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:05 Zanazuah wrote:
''Pray for me''...I didn't know he was a christian either! Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on prayer O.o Still, an odd twitter statement. Perhaps just a poor translation of "Hope for the best for me". I don't know how good his English is.
There are a lot of Christians in Korea though.
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 16:51 StarMoon wrote:On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:
I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k .
So crazy -- its why almost all the Koreans who post about looking for foreign team, still haven't found one T_T 1.5k/3k a month? a day? what? And Kennigit's reaction, care to elaborate for those of us who are uninitiated? I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo.
I guess SC2 exists in a small niche where people don't share salaries because of how low those salaries are, but that's the only reason it seems that people don't share them. Any other industry including professional sports you would find this information. Once salaries become big enough then people would share this info I'm sure. I find this hardly inappropriate.
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On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?
I bet many of the lesser pros don't even practise 40 hours a week. Some of them work part time as well.
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On January 16 2012 17:09 Xeris wrote:
Almost 0 players in eSports will be able to retire off their winnings/salary when they quit gaming. You're looking at this from too much of a real-world perspective.
Based on your argument, only Boxer-esque players should even bother being pros because almost nobody is going to make enough to retire
Well, if the premises for the argument are sound, and the logic is fine, maybe the conclusion (i.e., many people who are currently marginally successful professional video gamers should strongly consider a change of vocation) shouldn't be immediately dismissed...
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:36 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 16:35 Seeker wrote:
Oh come on...... why would anyone in their right mind leave SlayerS!!! >:[
None the less....
GOOD LUCK GOLDEN!!!
LighT or Liquid should pick him up :D Seems like many Koreans have illusions of grandeur on how much they are worth to foreign teams and leave because of that. I hope this is not the case here and he just wants to be part of the foreign scene, but who knows.
I'm starting to suspect this as well.
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On January 16 2012 17:28 Duravi wrote:
I don't understand the $5k-10k contracts, assuming it is a fulltime job and you expect 40 hours a week out of your players aren't you required to pay a salary equivalent with minimum wage?
Besides Koreans in team houses I don't think most Tier 3 foreigners are expected to practice like its a full time job. (not saying they don't practice a lot)
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