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Onox
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1072 Posts
January 18 2012 06:58 GMT
#621
On January 18 2012 13:04 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 12:54 Luepert wrote:
On January 18 2012 11:25 iky43210 wrote:
On January 18 2012 10:58 Luepert wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:36 Diamond wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:35 Seeker wrote:
Oh come on...... why would anyone in their right mind leave SlayerS!!! >:[

None the less....

GOOD LUCK GOLDEN!!!

LighT or Liquid should pick him up :D


Seems like many Koreans have illusions of grandeur on how much they are worth to foreign teams and leave because of that.

I hope this is not the case here and he just wants to be part of the foreign scene, but who knows.


Its kind of true, look at hero and puma, neither are actually top Korean pros. The ONLY reason they are popular is that they are on non Korean Teams who can afford to send them to tournaments that the actually good players aren't at.


Hero have the most revolutionizing PvZ, its unfair to call him a no namer.

If Hero worked in PvT alot better, he would be a force to reckon with


In the GSL, Hero has a 44% win rate in PvZ.

source? I don't see that number anywhere.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/222_HerO
Hero isn't all that great sadly, way overrated.
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 07:01:06
January 18 2012 07:00 GMT
#622
Anyone who's saying that a post on a forum is killing esports is being melodramatic.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 08:55:22
January 18 2012 08:54 GMT
#623
Quantic.Dragon (destiny and quantic encouraging his streaming)

Or coL.Dragon. (naniwa saying complexity seemed to care more for streaming/entertainment than tournament results).

or maybe EG.Dragon (incontrol, axslav)
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JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
January 18 2012 08:59 GMT
#624
Quantic cannot afford these kind of demands afaik
lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
January 18 2012 10:35 GMT
#625
I must say, most players that left a korean team to join an international team have yet to be picked up. High demands plus little results dont really help their case that much.

It is sad to say, with players like sangho still teamless, these 2 guys dont really stand much of a chance. GL regardless.
Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly - Bob Marley
creamer
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada128 Posts
January 18 2012 13:00 GMT
#626
I personally met SlayerSGolden in a tournament once and he handily beat me (although I'm a mid/high master player so it means nothing). From hours of watching Dragon's stream I can tell you he's an amazing guy probably a joy to be a teammate with. Goodluck to them both
MKP - Best player of all time
exShikari
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia237 Posts
January 18 2012 13:03 GMT
#627
Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe Golden just wants to see more of the world while doing what he loves? I know that's why I go travelling.
It is, in the end, whatever the Hell I want it to be, And when I'm through with it, it's gonna blow a hole, This wide, straight through the worlds own idea of itself. They're throwing bottles at your house. Come on, lets go break their arms.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
January 18 2012 13:16 GMT
#628
Why would you ever leave SlayerS

I liked Golden's play, and I love Dragon's stream. Looking forward to see where Golden ends up though.
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tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 14:03:31
January 18 2012 14:01 GMT
#629
This thread was not supposed to have so many action around it , but players salaries are always something that people try to know.

I think that salaries in the line of 1k / 1,5k per month is very good for a SC2 player , prize money is where the real bucks are and with that comes higher salaries. i think SC2 has a growth problem because to be a follower of the professional scene means you also either play or played Starcraft , so it has limited number of viewers and only the best players are worshiped like they were Michael Jordan .
Then there is the community that tries to "kill" everyone who tries to have an opinion and is on lesser leagues than them ( bronze , silver , gold ,plat ) , so its hard for new players to get along and get excited with the game and the scene. Blizzard tried to make the game more friendly because of that i think but they could have done a much much much more better job advertising it ( like WoW ) . I really hope the best for e-sports and SC2 , sc2 is the E-sport nothing really compares to this, its actually required to be super sharp , smart to play professionally and to devote your life to it , if it fails e-sports fails..

Sorry if i hurt someone feelings but this is just my opinion.
ja foste
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
January 18 2012 15:31 GMT
#630
On January 16 2012 17:02 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 17:01 djfoxmccloud wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:58 Kennigit wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:51 StarMoon wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote:

I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k .

So crazy -- its why almost all the Koreans who post about looking for foreign team, still haven't found one T_T


1.5k/3k a month? a day? what?

And Kennigit's reaction, care to elaborate for those of us who are uninitiated?

I think its really inappropriate to release information you learned while under the employment of a team, especially when you are still involved in the industry. It's like incontrol coming out with statements about NASL's finances, their projections, goals etc. Especially with a team, where your scouting methods are kept close to the chest, your bargaining position. Its just really bad imo.


Hm i don't think it is confidential :/

If no NDA, then it's fine !

i said inappropriate. Not illegal. Would you hire someone who you know will release your trade secrets publicly? Its how you get blackballed in industries - happens regularly.


But isn't there a problem if no one talks about their salaries?
How to expect how much you can ask for if no one knows how much the actual salarys are.(i mean in terms of pro's searching a new team)
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justalex
Profile Joined May 2010
United States122 Posts
January 18 2012 15:51 GMT
#631
On January 18 2012 22:16 KristofferAG wrote:
Why would you ever leave SlayerS



I won't speak on Golden, but for Dragon, he
1) doesn't live at the house
2) doesn't compete in tournaments
3) has a day job he presumably likes
4) wants the game to be a hobby again

It seems like a reasonable thing. Besides, I could be remembering wrong, but I think the reason Dragon joined SlayerS in the first place was because he was one of the only practice partners BoxeR could get before the team formed.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3756 Posts
January 18 2012 16:40 GMT
#632
On January 16 2012 16:36 ritzia1 wrote:
So many Koreans leaving for foreign teams, kinda annoying to see this now. Nonetheless good luck to Golden.

Why? If they are good enough to be top players in their new teams it's just fine.
hXc Chris
Profile Joined February 2011
United States25 Posts
January 18 2012 16:40 GMT
#633
In almost every industry there is a salary quote or expectation yet the shady people in the "esports" community try to hide such information. Calling it a "trade secret" makes it look even shadier to me. Whats the big deal if the community knows how much pro gamers make?

Salaries are released in just about every single sport, so the fact that people want this to be an "esport" yet hide all the inside information are the true ones being "inappropriate" what are you scared of?

Obviously it seems that some people have something to lose by releasing such information.
thesums
Profile Joined December 2010
Taiwan257 Posts
January 18 2012 16:43 GMT
#634
people are saying the wages are low, but if you actually win you do get a lot. This is more like tennis, the wage is a bonus, + you get to live in the team house and eat there as well.
Phays
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden162 Posts
January 18 2012 16:45 GMT
#635
Dragon hope he find a great team
thesums
Profile Joined December 2010
Taiwan257 Posts
January 18 2012 16:45 GMT
#636
There is no point of being pro gamer if you do not get far in any tournaments is there? Why are you pro then? There are so many tournaments, and if you do not win a few, a small wage is good enough tbh. Or else anyone can become a 'progamer star' and earn loads lol?
nucky
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada43 Posts
January 18 2012 16:47 GMT
#637
Dragon For PREZ , Good luck sir!

Dragon vs Deezer a MUST see

thesums
Profile Joined December 2010
Taiwan257 Posts
January 18 2012 16:50 GMT
#638
On January 18 2012 23:01 tapk69 wrote:
This thread was not supposed to have so many action around it , but players salaries are always something that people try to know.

I think that salaries in the line of 1k / 1,5k per month is very good for a SC2 player , prize money is where the real bucks are and with that comes higher salaries. i think SC2 has a growth problem because to be a follower of the professional scene means you also either play or played Starcraft , so it has limited number of viewers and only the best players are worshiped like they were Michael Jordan .
Then there is the community that tries to "kill" everyone who tries to have an opinion and is on lesser leagues than them ( bronze , silver , gold ,plat ) , so its hard for new players to get along and get excited with the game and the scene. Blizzard tried to make the game more friendly because of that i think but they could have done a much much much more better job advertising it ( like WoW ) . I really hope the best for e-sports and SC2 , sc2 is the E-sport nothing really compares to this, its actually required to be super sharp , smart to play professionally and to devote your life to it , if it fails e-sports fails..

Sorry if i hurt someone feelings but this is just my opinion.


I totally agree.

I also believe many people think that becoming progamer is easy, but they have to play for long hours, and not just mess around when playing either like when on ladder. There is a lot of competition, and you really need a tournament wins to make money and become an actual star.
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
January 18 2012 17:05 GMT
#639
On January 19 2012 01:50 thesums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 23:01 tapk69 wrote:
This thread was not supposed to have so many action around it , but players salaries are always something that people try to know.

I think that salaries in the line of 1k / 1,5k per month is very good for a SC2 player , prize money is where the real bucks are and with that comes higher salaries. i think SC2 has a growth problem because to be a follower of the professional scene means you also either play or played Starcraft , so it has limited number of viewers and only the best players are worshiped like they were Michael Jordan .
Then there is the community that tries to "kill" everyone who tries to have an opinion and is on lesser leagues than them ( bronze , silver , gold ,plat ) , so its hard for new players to get along and get excited with the game and the scene. Blizzard tried to make the game more friendly because of that i think but they could have done a much much much more better job advertising it ( like WoW ) . I really hope the best for e-sports and SC2 , sc2 is the E-sport nothing really compares to this, its actually required to be super sharp , smart to play professionally and to devote your life to it , if it fails e-sports fails..

Sorry if i hurt someone feelings but this is just my opinion.


I totally agree.

I also believe many people think that becoming progamer is easy, but they have to play for long hours, and not just mess around when playing either like when on ladder. There is a lot of competition, and you really need a tournament wins to make money and become an actual star.


I think if 1k a month becomes a standard salary then e-sports is doomed to fail. Have any of you ever tried to make it on your own off 12k a year? You can talk all you want about tourney winnings making up some difference but the reported stats on that tell a different tale. IMO it is completely unreasonable to expect somebody to focus their entire energy on a game when not placing in the money for a weekly tournament means no food.

As of right now tournaments/teams are not providing for the greater community at all. Youtube and streaming sites on the other hand...

As is the starcraft community is less e-sports and more "lets play". A real living salary with benefits becoming the standard for excellence would change everything.
vitruvia
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada235 Posts
January 18 2012 17:13 GMT
#640
something's going on here... almost like that moon+lyn issue WC3 had years ago....i don't like this...
what quote?
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