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On January 11 2012 15:45 eScaper-tsunami wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 15:28 MHT wrote:On January 11 2012 15:25 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On January 11 2012 15:16 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2012 15:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:So you're saying that, you can do a certain profession, not be an expert but still call yourself a professional? edit: On January 11 2012 14:59 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2012 14:47 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
I don't think what you do as a profession qualifies you as a professional in the specific field. i think you are mistaking the word expert and professional. you can do a certain profession, but not be an expert in the specific field. yes. of course you can. people do it all the time. Well, where I live... to become a professional engineer (p.eng) and to market oneself as a professional engineer, you need to apply and take an exam. You can practice as an engineer without it but marketing yourself as a professional is a giant lawsuit waiting to happen. This is true with many other professions, such as accountant, plumber (other trades included), bartenders, lawyers and the list goes on. Thing is there is no requirement to become a progamer, if a team picks you up when your bronze and you make it your main source of income your a progamer as in you do it for a profession don't confuse being pro with actually being good at the game. I'm confused by your explanation, you said there are no requirements to become a progamer yet you stated that you need a team to pick you up..... And are you a progamer if your source of income is ONLY from a team paying you? If so I guess in SC2 a lot of GSL players aren't pros by your definition.
Income is the only requirement, to be paid for what you do. Im not saying you have to be on a team, you could win enough tournaments to make a living off it or have a personal sponsor. And yeah technically if your teamless in GSL and don't make enough money for a living off it your not really a professional maybe an amateur idk. Not saying its wrong to call them a pro but in reality they aren't.
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On January 11 2012 15:57 MHT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 15:45 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On January 11 2012 15:28 MHT wrote:On January 11 2012 15:25 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On January 11 2012 15:16 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2012 15:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:So you're saying that, you can do a certain profession, not be an expert but still call yourself a professional? edit: On January 11 2012 14:59 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2012 14:47 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
I don't think what you do as a profession qualifies you as a professional in the specific field. i think you are mistaking the word expert and professional. you can do a certain profession, but not be an expert in the specific field. yes. of course you can. people do it all the time. Well, where I live... to become a professional engineer (p.eng) and to market oneself as a professional engineer, you need to apply and take an exam. You can practice as an engineer without it but marketing yourself as a professional is a giant lawsuit waiting to happen. This is true with many other professions, such as accountant, plumber (other trades included), bartenders, lawyers and the list goes on. Thing is there is no requirement to become a progamer, if a team picks you up when your bronze and you make it your main source of income your a progamer as in you do it for a profession don't confuse being pro with actually being good at the game. I'm confused by your explanation, you said there are no requirements to become a progamer yet you stated that you need a team to pick you up..... And are you a progamer if your source of income is ONLY from a team paying you? If so I guess in SC2 a lot of GSL players aren't pros by your definition. Income is the only requirement, to be paid for what you do. Im not saying you have to be on a team, you could win enough tournaments to make a living off it or have a personal sponsor. And yeah technically if your teamless in GSL and don't make enough money for a living off it your not really a professional maybe an amateur idk. Not saying its wrong to call them a pro but in reality they aren't.
Ya I agree. The only problem with income is the threshold, exactly how much qualifies you as a pro?
edit: A lot of payment to players through team is still undisclosed information sadly 
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On January 11 2012 16:01 eScaper-tsunami wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 15:57 MHT wrote:On January 11 2012 15:45 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On January 11 2012 15:28 MHT wrote:On January 11 2012 15:25 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On January 11 2012 15:16 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2012 15:02 eScaper-tsunami wrote:So you're saying that, you can do a certain profession, not be an expert but still call yourself a professional? edit: On January 11 2012 14:59 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 11 2012 14:47 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
I don't think what you do as a profession qualifies you as a professional in the specific field. i think you are mistaking the word expert and professional. you can do a certain profession, but not be an expert in the specific field. yes. of course you can. people do it all the time. Well, where I live... to become a professional engineer (p.eng) and to market oneself as a professional engineer, you need to apply and take an exam. You can practice as an engineer without it but marketing yourself as a professional is a giant lawsuit waiting to happen. This is true with many other professions, such as accountant, plumber (other trades included), bartenders, lawyers and the list goes on. Thing is there is no requirement to become a progamer, if a team picks you up when your bronze and you make it your main source of income your a progamer as in you do it for a profession don't confuse being pro with actually being good at the game. I'm confused by your explanation, you said there are no requirements to become a progamer yet you stated that you need a team to pick you up..... And are you a progamer if your source of income is ONLY from a team paying you? If so I guess in SC2 a lot of GSL players aren't pros by your definition. Income is the only requirement, to be paid for what you do. Im not saying you have to be on a team, you could win enough tournaments to make a living off it or have a personal sponsor. And yeah technically if your teamless in GSL and don't make enough money for a living off it your not really a professional maybe an amateur idk. Not saying its wrong to call them a pro but in reality they aren't. Ya I agree. The only problem with income is the threshold, exactly how much qualifies you as a pro? edit: A lot of payment to players through team is still undisclosed information sadly
Enough to make a living of it so it probably is different depending on where you live. Not saying its carved in stone but in general that.
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I think it is someone who gets paid for playing a competitive e-sport/game. I'd separate casters from progamers, but I believe that it is important to recognize ex-progamers such as Day[9], Tasteless, etc.. I suppose the grey area is for players like Destiny and Artosis who definitely play Starcraft at a high level; these two players are definitely good, however, in Starcraft 2 their popularity and income coming from their personalities and ability to teach others rather than having pure skill at the game.
Nothing against these two players, I view their streams very often and happen to like both players a lot, however if you simply look at their results in Starcraft 2, really the only thing that separates them from another masters league/low GM player that enters tournaments is not results, but simply success due to personality.
On January 11 2012 11:07 IMoperator wrote:
Someone that can live off of what they get paid and play full time.
This is why I think that definitions such as (quoted above) really add to the ambiguity in the difference of progamer and paid players/streamers listed above.
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The definition of a progamer is BOXER. It's enough to watch him never give up on his dream, and you'll understand what a progamer really means.
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One would think professional gamer means gaming for a living.
If people want a special word for something else they probably have to come up with a new word for it since the meaning of professional, like most words wont change anytime soon.
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On January 11 2012 10:46 phzbox wrote:
Is it someone who earn money to play the game?
It's someone who is paid to play the game, outside of prize money.
In other words: you have some sort of sponsorship, team affiliations, etc, that allows you to participate in tournaments - or you are paid to participate in tournaments (GSL for example pay everyone that qualifies a little bit of money to participate, so they are pro gamers).
If you are 'just' making money by winning them in daily tournaments for example, I'd say you are not a pro gamer but a talented amateur  Even if you are earning more money than a professional.
Streaming? Coaching? Doesn't count. If Husky decides to stream a lot, and makes a lot of money doing so, he is still a pro caster / streamer, not a pro gamer.
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In my own opinion, a professional gamer is someone who plays a game competitively, who is paid and who acts mature (professional?) in games and outside.
Some people may retort: "So IdrA is not professional due to his behavior, right?"
If you ask me, I consider IdrA as a professional player. Sometimes, he definitely crosses the line but overall, he is more an entertainer. He does not want to hurt anyone in what he says.
Anyway, that's just my opinion.
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Someone who's profession is gaming. Seems pretty simple to me. If you game and that is your primary source of income, you're a professional gamer.
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Like any other definition of a professional, engaged in a specified activity as one’s main paid occupation rather than as an amateur...
Obviously there is a difference in being a professional gamer and being professional as a sponsored gamer...
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If you can do it for a living, then you are a professional at it.
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On January 11 2012 17:33 Protocon wrote:
If you can do it for a living, then you are a professional at it.
Exactly that, there really isnt any room to interpertate it differently.
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A pro-gamer to me is someone whose main source of income is from playing video games competitively.
I don't think lessons count towards that though (if it were your main source of income). With lessons, you're being paid to teach. To me it would be like calling an NFL coach a "Professional Football Player" when what they really are is a "Professional Football Coach".
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Gaming for a living (i.e. making money from playing games, not living of parents money while playing games..)
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"A professional is a person who is paid to undertake a specialised set of tasks and to complete them for a fee. The traditional professions were doctors, lawyers, clergymen, and commissioned military officers. Today, the term is applied to estate agents, surveyors , environmental scientists, forensic scientists, educators, and many more. The term is also used in sports to differentiate amateur players from those who are paid — hence "professional footballer" and "professional golfer"."
From Wikipedia
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As everyone already said this one is really easy. You're a professional when you earn enough money with any said activity to provide for yourself. You're an amateur or a "semi-pro" when you can compete with professionals in their field but earn a living through other means.
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This thread again hey. I'd say it's someone who plays games for a living. As a job. The programers of old did not get paid, so getting paid should not be criteria.
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I know one thing, Catz is not a pro gamer.
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A pro gamer is someone that has a salary playing a video game and is under a contract. During the BW days and now, a pro gamer would be an individual with a pro gamer license by KeSPA.
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On January 11 2012 18:14 blanks.yuC wrote:
I know one thing, Catz is not a pro gamer.
did anyone say he was?, he obviously isnt since he has not performed well ever in any tournament?
some people should think twice, or even three times before they call themselves "pro gamers" CatZ is a good example
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