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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
January 11 2012 09:31 GMT
#81
On January 11 2012 14:35 DYEAlabaster wrote:
pro-gaming, in my opinion, is someone who makes a living off of playing the game. Ie, this is their entire job.


I agree with this, however I feel that the income source could lead to further classifications.
To restate the opinion, anyone who needs to supplement their "gaming" income is an amateur gamer. However, what qualifies as "gaming income"?
Team salary? - of course, you're getting paid to play.
Tournament winnings? sure, you're getting paid to play win - but you can't win without playing.
Streaming? - probably... again getting paid because you are a player (and usually streaming games - ladder or tournaments)
Coaching? - no, coaching =/= playing.
Sponsors? - maybe, but like coaching it doesn't actually require playing.

I'm not saying pro gamers can't participate in any of the no/maybe activities to get extra income, I'm just of the opinion that to be pro they income before the extra activities should be enough to make a living (room for more debate as to what that is).

aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
January 11 2012 09:36 GMT
#82
On January 11 2012 18:21 Jintetsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 18:14 blanks.yuC wrote:
I know one thing, Catz is not a pro gamer.


did anyone say he was?, he obviously isnt since he has not performed well ever in any tournament?

some people should think twice, or even three times before they call themselves "pro gamers" CatZ is a good example


Make a living from being a gamer = he is a progamer. Its not very hard to define "pro" in anything.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
snowhell
Profile Joined December 2011
United States57 Posts
January 11 2012 09:52 GMT
#83
On January 11 2012 10:50 dAPhREAk wrote:
somebody who plays the game professionally (i.e., for a living).

this is correct. if you cant live off what you make then you arent a pro simple as that.
Aremys
Profile Joined November 2011
France61 Posts
January 11 2012 10:03 GMT
#84
"Professional sports, as opposed to amateur sports, are sports in which athletes receive payment for their performance. Professional athleticism has come to the fore through a combination of developments. Mass media and increased leisure have brought larger audiences, so that sports organizations or teams can command large incomes.[1] As a result, more sportspeople can afford to make athleticism their primary career, devoting the training time necessary to increase skills, physical condition, and experience to modern levels of achievement.[1] This proficiency has also helped boost the popularity of sports.[1]
Most sports played professionally also have amateur players far outnumbering the professionals. Professional athleticism is seen by some as a contradiction of the central ethos of sport, competition performed for its own sake and pure enjoyment, rather than as a means of earning a living.[1] Consequently, many organisations and commentators have resisted the growth of professional athleticism, saying that it was so incredible that he has impeded the development of sport. For example, rugby union was for many years a part-time sport engaged in by amateurs, and English cricket has allegedly suffered in quality because of a "non-professional" approach.[1]" From Wikipedia
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SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 02:42:17
January 12 2012 02:41 GMT
#85
On January 11 2012 18:19 zoLo wrote:
A pro gamer is someone that has a salary playing a video game and is under a contract. During the BW days and now, a pro gamer would be an individual with a pro gamer license by KeSPA.

I said this on the first page and this answer is the only one that objectively defines what is a "progamer." To the person who said that I was trolling, it seems that he was trolling himself xd
PhilleeC
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States46 Posts
January 12 2012 02:43 GMT
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