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On January 10 2012 09:18 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 09:14 Corsica wrote:On January 09 2012 11:06 eYeball wrote:On January 09 2012 10:57 YMCApylons wrote:
(3) JYP: Arguably the true second place, also never lost a match against foreigners, dropped one game against Goody. Handily defeated Violet, who gave problems to Sound, and gave MC much more trouble than Sound. What? LOL Yeah we already knew this, I believe someone else said that only 12% of the participants were Koreans and yet in ro8 it was 75% of them. In all honesty the best foreigners didnt come : White-ra, Idra, Kas, HuK, Sase, Naniwa to name few. I feel like there were a lot of mediocre foreigners : Incontrol, Destiny, Delphi, Attero, Kawaii so to have this people fight vs really good koreans sure they would lose... so i feel like statistics are distorted here. EDIT: Thats to name a few top/mediocre foreigners. The best foreigners didn't come . . . are you serious? Plenty of top foreigners were present and not a single, serious GSL contender was there. NONE of the Koreans at HSC 4 are anyone's favorite to win GSL and a lot of them aren't even in Code S.
EDIT: Well Violet beat MKP, Sound showed himself well, MC is most accomplished protoss and through his career won many tourneys, when protoss was at dfifferent states. If these guys are not in code s doesnt mean they are not top class. Would you consider Jjakji top terran before Dec 1?
Koreans are better its not arguable. But i think foreigners can keep up with koreans in sc2. If for you best foreigners are players like : Darkforce, Incontrol, Darkhydra, PoYo, Destiny then sorry. They are like C class foreigners. We've seen that foreigners can upset even big names. I feel if players that I named were there we would have foreigner at least in top 3.
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On January 10 2012 09:33 Govou wrote:
at this point, it's not even debatable.
actually it's been that way for a while
It's almost disingenuous to say it was ever debatable. International TLPD is dominated by Koreans, NA and EU ladder is dominated by Koreans. It's worthwhile to discuss what might make the foreign scene stronger. Calling them lazy is stupid. It suggests foreigners don't win tournaments because they don't care which essentially shuts down any productive discussion about actual improvement.
Just saying "practice harder" is completely stupid and devoid of any thought. Practicing 12 hours a day is counterproductive because A: that other guy is practicing just as much anyway and B: he's practicing against better people. So you're at a deficit and the gap widens and widens and there's a point that throwing away hours of your life produces a negative effect anyway.
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On January 10 2012 09:32 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 09:20 naux wrote:On January 10 2012 09:14 Corsica wrote:On January 09 2012 11:06 eYeball wrote:On January 09 2012 10:57 YMCApylons wrote:
(3) JYP: Arguably the true second place, also never lost a match against foreigners, dropped one game against Goody. Handily defeated Violet, who gave problems to Sound, and gave MC much more trouble than Sound. What? LOL Yeah we already knew this, I believe someone else said that only 12% of the participants were Koreans and yet in ro8 it was 75% of them. In all honesty the best foreigners didnt come : White-ra, Idra, Kas, HuK, Sase, Naniwa to name few. I feel like there were a lot of mediocre foreigners : Incontrol, Destiny, Delphi, Attero, Kawaii so to have this people fight vs really good koreans sure they would lose... so i feel like statistics are distorted here. EDIT: Thats to name a few top/mediocre foreigners. in all honesty the best koreans didnt come : mvp nestea leenock what are you trying to say ah this thread is to stubborn to realize koreans are just better koreans > the world This was about HSC so where do you see mvp, nestea leenock?
i said the BEST KOREANS DIDNT COME MVP NESTEA OR LEENOCK
did you even read my post before replying or did you just felt like trolling?
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On January 10 2012 09:38 Corsica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 09:18 chenchen wrote:On January 10 2012 09:14 Corsica wrote:On January 09 2012 11:06 eYeball wrote:On January 09 2012 10:57 YMCApylons wrote:
(3) JYP: Arguably the true second place, also never lost a match against foreigners, dropped one game against Goody. Handily defeated Violet, who gave problems to Sound, and gave MC much more trouble than Sound. What? LOL Yeah we already knew this, I believe someone else said that only 12% of the participants were Koreans and yet in ro8 it was 75% of them. In all honesty the best foreigners didnt come : White-ra, Idra, Kas, HuK, Sase, Naniwa to name few. I feel like there were a lot of mediocre foreigners : Incontrol, Destiny, Delphi, Attero, Kawaii so to have this people fight vs really good koreans sure they would lose... so i feel like statistics are distorted here. EDIT: Thats to name a few top/mediocre foreigners. The best foreigners didn't come . . . are you serious? Plenty of top foreigners were present and not a single, serious GSL contender was there. NONE of the Koreans at HSC 4 are anyone's favorite to win GSL and a lot of them aren't even in Code S. Koreans are better its not arguable. But i think foreigners can keep up with koreans in sc2. If for you best foreigners are players like : Darkforce, Incontrol, Darkhydra, PoYo, Destiny then sorry. They are like C class foreigners. We've seen that foreigners can upset even big names. I feel if players that I named were there we would have foreigner at least in top 3.
What about Stephano, Thorzain, and Ret? Seriously, stop contorting the evidence.
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On January 10 2012 09:40 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 09:38 Corsica wrote:On January 10 2012 09:18 chenchen wrote:On January 10 2012 09:14 Corsica wrote:On January 09 2012 11:06 eYeball wrote:On January 09 2012 10:57 YMCApylons wrote:
(3) JYP: Arguably the true second place, also never lost a match against foreigners, dropped one game against Goody. Handily defeated Violet, who gave problems to Sound, and gave MC much more trouble than Sound. What? LOL Yeah we already knew this, I believe someone else said that only 12% of the participants were Koreans and yet in ro8 it was 75% of them. In all honesty the best foreigners didnt come : White-ra, Idra, Kas, HuK, Sase, Naniwa to name few. I feel like there were a lot of mediocre foreigners : Incontrol, Destiny, Delphi, Attero, Kawaii so to have this people fight vs really good koreans sure they would lose... so i feel like statistics are distorted here. EDIT: Thats to name a few top/mediocre foreigners. The best foreigners didn't come . . . are you serious? Plenty of top foreigners were present and not a single, serious GSL contender was there. NONE of the Koreans at HSC 4 are anyone's favorite to win GSL and a lot of them aren't even in Code S. Koreans are better its not arguable. But i think foreigners can keep up with koreans in sc2. If for you best foreigners are players like : Darkforce, Incontrol, Darkhydra, PoYo, Destiny then sorry. They are like C class foreigners. We've seen that foreigners can upset even big names. I feel if players that I named were there we would have foreigner at least in top 3. What about Stephano, Thorzain, and Ret? Seriously, stop contorting the evidence.
Joke post? What about them?
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On January 10 2012 09:40 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 09:38 Corsica wrote:On January 10 2012 09:18 chenchen wrote:On January 10 2012 09:14 Corsica wrote:On January 09 2012 11:06 eYeball wrote:On January 09 2012 10:57 YMCApylons wrote:
(3) JYP: Arguably the true second place, also never lost a match against foreigners, dropped one game against Goody. Handily defeated Violet, who gave problems to Sound, and gave MC much more trouble than Sound. What? LOL Yeah we already knew this, I believe someone else said that only 12% of the participants were Koreans and yet in ro8 it was 75% of them. In all honesty the best foreigners didnt come : White-ra, Idra, Kas, HuK, Sase, Naniwa to name few. I feel like there were a lot of mediocre foreigners : Incontrol, Destiny, Delphi, Attero, Kawaii so to have this people fight vs really good koreans sure they would lose... so i feel like statistics are distorted here. EDIT: Thats to name a few top/mediocre foreigners. The best foreigners didn't come . . . are you serious? Plenty of top foreigners were present and not a single, serious GSL contender was there. NONE of the Koreans at HSC 4 are anyone's favorite to win GSL and a lot of them aren't even in Code S. Koreans are better its not arguable. But i think foreigners can keep up with koreans in sc2. If for you best foreigners are players like : Darkforce, Incontrol, Darkhydra, PoYo, Destiny then sorry. They are like C class foreigners. We've seen that foreigners can upset even big names. I feel if players that I named were there we would have foreigner at least in top 3. What about Stephano, Thorzain, and Ret? Seriously, stop contorting the evidence.
Ret is mediocre nowadays and Thorzain/Steph well it depends on their mood 
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On January 10 2012 09:40 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 09:38 Corsica wrote:On January 10 2012 09:18 chenchen wrote:On January 10 2012 09:14 Corsica wrote:On January 09 2012 11:06 eYeball wrote:On January 09 2012 10:57 YMCApylons wrote:
(3) JYP: Arguably the true second place, also never lost a match against foreigners, dropped one game against Goody. Handily defeated Violet, who gave problems to Sound, and gave MC much more trouble than Sound. What? LOL Yeah we already knew this, I believe someone else said that only 12% of the participants were Koreans and yet in ro8 it was 75% of them. In all honesty the best foreigners didnt come : White-ra, Idra, Kas, HuK, Sase, Naniwa to name few. I feel like there were a lot of mediocre foreigners : Incontrol, Destiny, Delphi, Attero, Kawaii so to have this people fight vs really good koreans sure they would lose... so i feel like statistics are distorted here. EDIT: Thats to name a few top/mediocre foreigners. The best foreigners didn't come . . . are you serious? Plenty of top foreigners were present and not a single, serious GSL contender was there. NONE of the Koreans at HSC 4 are anyone's favorite to win GSL and a lot of them aren't even in Code S. Koreans are better its not arguable. But i think foreigners can keep up with koreans in sc2. If for you best foreigners are players like : Darkforce, Incontrol, Darkhydra, PoYo, Destiny then sorry. They are like C class foreigners. We've seen that foreigners can upset even big names. I feel if players that I named were there we would have foreigner at least in top 3. What about Stephano, Thorzain, and Ret? Seriously, stop contorting the evidence.
Stephano was drunk, Thorzain and Ret got eliminated by foreigners, so the koreans shouldn't get any merits.
Anyway, I don't see where this thread is going, we can argue forever ...
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Anyone who is arguing that foreigners are close to the koreans, you need to go read all the statistics over again and then go take a class on logic if it still doesn't make sense. If that doesn't work, compare the streams of koreans to foreigners streams. I mean, whats the debate here? Theres an obvious big gap.
1. they have the lump sum of top level pro players, the best of the best (MVP,Nestea,leenock,MC,MMA etcetcetc)
2. A lot of pro players have trouble making it into korean gm, what does that tell you?
3. For god sake think with logic not with fandom/patriotism!
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On January 10 2012 09:40 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 09:32 Assirra wrote:On January 10 2012 09:20 naux wrote:On January 10 2012 09:14 Corsica wrote:On January 09 2012 11:06 eYeball wrote:On January 09 2012 10:57 YMCApylons wrote:
(3) JYP: Arguably the true second place, also never lost a match against foreigners, dropped one game against Goody. Handily defeated Violet, who gave problems to Sound, and gave MC much more trouble than Sound. What? LOL Yeah we already knew this, I believe someone else said that only 12% of the participants were Koreans and yet in ro8 it was 75% of them. In all honesty the best foreigners didnt come : White-ra, Idra, Kas, HuK, Sase, Naniwa to name few. I feel like there were a lot of mediocre foreigners : Incontrol, Destiny, Delphi, Attero, Kawaii so to have this people fight vs really good koreans sure they would lose... so i feel like statistics are distorted here. EDIT: Thats to name a few top/mediocre foreigners. in all honesty the best koreans didnt come : mvp nestea leenock what are you trying to say ah this thread is to stubborn to realize koreans are just better koreans > the world This was about HSC so where do you see mvp, nestea leenock? i said the BEST KOREANS DIDNT COME MVP NESTEA OR LEENOCK did you even read my post before replying or did you just felt like trolling?
I misread that sorry, no need to jump out of your pants.
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The best koreans weren't there, but neither were many of the best foreigners, and I think the argument is that top foreigners can beat anyone on any given day, but not that the second tiers are equal.
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On January 10 2012 09:46 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 09:40 chenchen wrote:On January 10 2012 09:38 Corsica wrote:On January 10 2012 09:18 chenchen wrote:On January 10 2012 09:14 Corsica wrote:On January 09 2012 11:06 eYeball wrote:On January 09 2012 10:57 YMCApylons wrote:
(3) JYP: Arguably the true second place, also never lost a match against foreigners, dropped one game against Goody. Handily defeated Violet, who gave problems to Sound, and gave MC much more trouble than Sound. What? LOL Yeah we already knew this, I believe someone else said that only 12% of the participants were Koreans and yet in ro8 it was 75% of them. In all honesty the best foreigners didnt come : White-ra, Idra, Kas, HuK, Sase, Naniwa to name few. I feel like there were a lot of mediocre foreigners : Incontrol, Destiny, Delphi, Attero, Kawaii so to have this people fight vs really good koreans sure they would lose... so i feel like statistics are distorted here. EDIT: Thats to name a few top/mediocre foreigners. The best foreigners didn't come . . . are you serious? Plenty of top foreigners were present and not a single, serious GSL contender was there. NONE of the Koreans at HSC 4 are anyone's favorite to win GSL and a lot of them aren't even in Code S. Koreans are better its not arguable. But i think foreigners can keep up with koreans in sc2. If for you best foreigners are players like : Darkforce, Incontrol, Darkhydra, PoYo, Destiny then sorry. They are like C class foreigners. We've seen that foreigners can upset even big names. I feel if players that I named were there we would have foreigner at least in top 3. What about Stephano, Thorzain, and Ret? Seriously, stop contorting the evidence. Stephano was drunk, Thorzain and Ret got eliminated by foreigners, so the koreans shouldn't get any merits. Anyway, I don't see where this thread is going, we can argue forever ...
Just ask yourself. How come the handful of Koreans that are invited to compete with foreign majority, the Koreans get far and often win.
However, when a handful of foreigners go over to compete with Koreans in Code A, they don't get far at all?
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On January 10 2012 10:07 MannerMan wrote:
The best koreans weren't there, but neither were many of the best foreigners, and I think the argument is that top foreigners can beat anyone on any given day, but not that the second tiers are equal.
Yes, this is exactly what top korean say in interviews, that there is no difference between them and foreigners at the very top level. Below top 10, I agree that koreans have the edge, because they take the game more serious.
There is nothing special about Koreans, just look at Warcraft 3 where European and Chinese players had no problems at all against them.
People like to compare Starcraft 2 with BroodWar, but the foreign pro scene in BroodWar was almost non-existent. The tournaments were very rare and with low prizes, so the motivation to practice a lot was low.
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On January 10 2012 10:15 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 10:07 MannerMan wrote:
The best koreans weren't there, but neither were many of the best foreigners, and I think the argument is that top foreigners can beat anyone on any given day, but not that the second tiers are equal. Yes, this is exactly what top korean say in interviews, that there is no difference between them and foreigners at the very top level. Below top 10, I agree that koreans have the edge, because they take the game more serious. There is nothing special about Koreans, just look at Warcraft 3 where European and Chinese players had no problems at all against them. People like to compare Starcraft 2 with BroodWar, but the foreign pro scene in BroodWar was almost non-existent. The tournaments were very rare and with low prizes, so the motivation to practice a lot was low.
If this was true foreigners would do better in GSL. Why can top Koreans go to foreign tournaments and own them easily, but the top foreigners can't even make a dent in GSL? Saying there is no difference between the top 10 koreans and top 10 foreigners is ridiculous.
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I still think that korea vs the world, top 10 world vs top 10 koreans, koreans would still win 60-75 percent of the games. Just watching their streams compared to foreigners you can see a difference in their play. Honestly, I think asians are really good at anything they set their mind 2 that doesn't require size and strength. I could explain why I believe this here but this isn't an evolution forum. in a nut shell, diet and culture.
Second point, as with anything, you need to train with the best to be the best(ex.hockey in canada). if your country takes a sport/game a lot more seriously then the rest of the world, you'd better be the best lol.
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On January 10 2012 10:17 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 10:15 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 10:07 MannerMan wrote:
The best koreans weren't there, but neither were many of the best foreigners, and I think the argument is that top foreigners can beat anyone on any given day, but not that the second tiers are equal. Yes, this is exactly what top korean say in interviews, that there is no difference between them and foreigners at the very top level. Below top 10, I agree that koreans have the edge, because they take the game more serious. There is nothing special about Koreans, just look at Warcraft 3 where European and Chinese players had no problems at all against them. People like to compare Starcraft 2 with BroodWar, but the foreign pro scene in BroodWar was almost non-existent. The tournaments were very rare and with low prizes, so the motivation to practice a lot was low. If this was true foreigners would do better in GSL. Why can top Koreans go to foreign tournaments and own them easily, but the top foreigners can't even make a dent in GSL?
This was explained already in this thread. GSL lasts for a month, a foreign event only a few days. To participate in GSL you basically need to live in Korea for at least a month. With at least 10 players equal in skill with you, the odds to win should be less than 10%. Financial wise, it's not worth to play in GSL for a foreigner player.
The reason foreign players don't win GSL's is because they don't play GSL. Last GSL had Huk + 31 koreans in Code S ... pretty bad odds for him to win it all.
Koreans don't "own" the foreign events. They have good results because they only sent the very best players - Mvp, MC, Leenock, Puma or DRG.
The 2nd tier koreans don't do so well vs foreigners: a good example is Top (a GSL finalist) losing 0-3 to Gatored or Lucky losing 0-4 to Stephano.
If you count the top koreans vs the top foreigners at a foreigner event, you will see that the number is pretty close. You can't say there are 8 koreans vs 200 foreigners at MLG, this isn't a fair comparison.
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On January 10 2012 09:40 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 09:38 Corsica wrote:On January 10 2012 09:18 chenchen wrote:On January 10 2012 09:14 Corsica wrote:On January 09 2012 11:06 eYeball wrote:On January 09 2012 10:57 YMCApylons wrote:
(3) JYP: Arguably the true second place, also never lost a match against foreigners, dropped one game against Goody. Handily defeated Violet, who gave problems to Sound, and gave MC much more trouble than Sound. What? LOL Yeah we already knew this, I believe someone else said that only 12% of the participants were Koreans and yet in ro8 it was 75% of them. In all honesty the best foreigners didnt come : White-ra, Idra, Kas, HuK, Sase, Naniwa to name few. I feel like there were a lot of mediocre foreigners : Incontrol, Destiny, Delphi, Attero, Kawaii so to have this people fight vs really good koreans sure they would lose... so i feel like statistics are distorted here. EDIT: Thats to name a few top/mediocre foreigners. The best foreigners didn't come . . . are you serious? Plenty of top foreigners were present and not a single, serious GSL contender was there. NONE of the Koreans at HSC 4 are anyone's favorite to win GSL and a lot of them aren't even in Code S. Koreans are better its not arguable. But i think foreigners can keep up with koreans in sc2. If for you best foreigners are players like : Darkforce, Incontrol, Darkhydra, PoYo, Destiny then sorry. They are like C class foreigners. We've seen that foreigners can upset even big names. I feel if players that I named were there we would have foreigner at least in top 3. What about Stephano, Thorzain, and Ret? Seriously, stop contorting the evidence.
that's what I said earlier in this thread.
Back in MLG providence, when Koreans dominated there, you heard excuses saying how Stephan and Nerchio etc didn't come so it wasn't fair.
Now at homestory you had guys like nerchio/stephano/ret etc and now they are saying there was no Idra etc.
All these guys do is make excuses.
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Sen didn't make it out, and foreigners are bad!
I told you so.
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On January 10 2012 10:15 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 10:07 MannerMan wrote:
The best koreans weren't there, but neither were many of the best foreigners, and I think the argument is that top foreigners can beat anyone on any given day, but not that the second tiers are equal. Yes, this is exactly what top korean say in interviews, that there is no difference between them and foreigners at the very top level. Below top 10, I agree that koreans have the edge, because they take the game more serious. There is nothing special about Koreans, just look at Warcraft 3 where European and Chinese players had no problems at all against them. People like to compare Starcraft 2 with BroodWar, but the foreign pro scene in BroodWar was almost non-existent. The tournaments were very rare and with low prizes, so the motivation to practice a lot was low.
In that case why have Naniwa, Sase and Thorzain (who are all top foreigners by any definition) failed to make it past Round 1 of GSL Code A? Why has Huk (who is the best foreigner) never made it past the GSL Ro8, generally lost in the group stage and now dropped into Code A? Huk even has a 44% win rate in Korea, and he's the most 'successful' foreign player in Korea.
Why has MVP won 3 out of the 4 foreign LAN's he's played in (and finished 4th in the other).
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On January 10 2012 10:32 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 10:17 Olinimm wrote:On January 10 2012 10:15 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 10:07 MannerMan wrote:
The best koreans weren't there, but neither were many of the best foreigners, and I think the argument is that top foreigners can beat anyone on any given day, but not that the second tiers are equal. Yes, this is exactly what top korean say in interviews, that there is no difference between them and foreigners at the very top level. Below top 10, I agree that koreans have the edge, because they take the game more serious. There is nothing special about Koreans, just look at Warcraft 3 where European and Chinese players had no problems at all against them. People like to compare Starcraft 2 with BroodWar, but the foreign pro scene in BroodWar was almost non-existent. The tournaments were very rare and with low prizes, so the motivation to practice a lot was low. If this was true foreigners would do better in GSL. Why can top Koreans go to foreign tournaments and own them easily, but the top foreigners can't even make a dent in GSL? This was explained already in this thread. GSL lasts for a month, a foreign event only a few days. To participate in GSL you basically need to live in Korea for at least a month. With at least 10 players equal in skill with you, the odds to win should be less than 10%. Financial wise, it's not worth to play in GSL for a foreigner player. The reason foreign players don't win GSL's is because they don't play GSL. Last GSL had Huk + 31 koreans in Code S ... pretty bad odds for him to win it all. Koreans don't "own" the foreign events. They have good results because they only sent the very best players - Mvp, MC, Leenock, Puma or DRG. The 2nd tier koreans don't do so well vs foreigners: a good example is Top (a GSL finalist) losing 0-3 to Gatored or Lucky losing 0-4 to Stephano. If you count the top koreans vs the top foreigners at a foreigner event, you will see that the number is pretty close. You can't say there are 8 koreans vs 200 foreigners at MLG, this isn't a fair comparison.
This is such a crock.
Do you really believe there is no gap?
Not 1 foreigner right now capable of sniffing GSL finals.
The gap is going to widen.
Koreans don't own the event? haha, ok right. what must they do then? You are in serious denial.
YOu better get used to this, as the game matures and the skill ceiling gets higher and with talent coming from bw and new young talent propping up, it's only going to get worse.
Oh and plenty of foreign tournaments had most of the top foreigners there, so don't even try and say it's only because it was crappy foreigners and only top koreans.
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On January 10 2012 10:32 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 10:17 Olinimm wrote:On January 10 2012 10:15 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 10:07 MannerMan wrote:
The best koreans weren't there, but neither were many of the best foreigners, and I think the argument is that top foreigners can beat anyone on any given day, but not that the second tiers are equal. Yes, this is exactly what top korean say in interviews, that there is no difference between them and foreigners at the very top level. Below top 10, I agree that koreans have the edge, because they take the game more serious. There is nothing special about Koreans, just look at Warcraft 3 where European and Chinese players had no problems at all against them. People like to compare Starcraft 2 with BroodWar, but the foreign pro scene in BroodWar was almost non-existent. The tournaments were very rare and with low prizes, so the motivation to practice a lot was low. If this was true foreigners would do better in GSL. Why can top Koreans go to foreign tournaments and own them easily, but the top foreigners can't even make a dent in GSL? This was explained already in this thread. GSL lasts for a month, a foreign event only a few days. To participate in GSL you basically need to live in Korea for at least a month. With at least 10 players equal in skill with you, the odds to win should be less than 10%. Financial wise, it's not worth to play in GSL for a foreigner player. The reason foreign players don't win GSL's is because they don't play GSL. Last GSL had Huk + 31 koreans in Code S ... pretty bad odds for him to win it all. Koreans don't "own" the foreign events. They have good results because they only sent the very best players - Mvp, MC, Leenock, Puma or DRG. The 2nd tier koreans don't do so well vs foreigners: a good example is Top (a GSL finalist) losing 0-3 to Gatored or Lucky losing 0-4 to Stephano. If you count the top koreans vs the top foreigners at a foreigner event, you will see that the number is pretty close. You can't say there are 8 koreans vs 200 foreigners at MLG, this isn't a fair comparison.
Koreans have never sent even 50% of their best players to an event except for MLG Providence, which had a bizzare format although despite that we still had MVP and Leenock take top 4 from the open bracket plus DRG as a seed.
You can argue that the top foreign players aren't at every event all you like but the top Koreans are never at every event.
If you had MVP, MMA, ForGG, MKP, Bomber, Jjakji, Nestea, Leenock, DRG, MC at every foreign event you would never see a foreigner win again and 95% of events (with a fair structure like Dreamhack/Homestory and not MLG) would be Korean top 3.
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