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On January 12 2012 10:15 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:11 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 09:32 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think? If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. What a clueless post .... they had a lot of players practicing w3 full time. I can name at least 30 korean players that were part of sponsored teams and were practicing at least 8 hours daily. China and Europe had about the same number of top players. You probably don't know anything about w3, and only heard about Moon because Tastosis hyped him during GSL's. Anyway, koreans didn't dominated Warcraft 3. Unlike BroodWar, they never won WCG except the last 2 years when w3 died in Europe. Other tournaments weren't dominated by them either. Players like Grubby, Sky, TH000, ToD, Fly100% were never underdogs to them. I just hate the mentality of foreigner players that have a BW background. They think the koreans are untouchable and this cuts into their motivation a lot. As for w3, you won't see players like Naniwa, Thorzain or Stephano playing "scared" vs koreans. Grubby, SaSe or ToD are also improving very fast and soon enough they won't start as underdogs vs koreans. The only bw player I like is Mana, he's still improving fast. Sen and IdrA are ok too, but I feel they won't get any better in the near future. You claim to know a lot about Wc3, but you don't know about Moon? what...the...fuck. I don't even follow Wc3, but seriously? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Jae_Ho
Where in my post I said Moon wasn't a top player? Read again.
He's up there with Grubby and Sky but he didn't dominated anything. I mean not something like Flash does in BW.
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On January 12 2012 10:11 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 09:32 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think? If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. What a clueless post .... they had a lot of players practicing w3 full time. I can name at least 30 korean players that were part of sponsored teams and were practicing at least 8 hours daily. China and Europe had about the same number of top players. You probably don't know anything about w3, and only heard about Moon because Tastosis hyped him during GSL's. Anyway, koreans didn't dominated Warcraft 3. Unlike BroodWar, they never won WCG except the last 2 years when w3 died in Europe. Other tournaments weren't dominated by them either. Players like Grubby, Sky, TH000, ToD, Fly100% were never underdogs to them. I just hate the mentality of foreigner players that have a BW background. They think the koreans are untouchable and this cuts into their motivation a lot. As for w3, you won't see players like Naniwa, Thorzain or Stephano playing "scared" vs koreans. Grubby, SaSe or ToD are also improving very fast and soon enough they won't start as underdogs vs koreans. The only bw player I like is Mana, he's still improving fast. Sen and IdrA are ok too, but I feel they won't get any better in the near future.
warcraft 3 was like playschool rts.
very limited in actually strategy. matter of fact wc3 for the most part was a disappointment and overall in KOrea it was a joke and they didn't take it seriously.
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On January 12 2012 10:11 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 09:32 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think? If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. What a clueless post .... they had a lot of players practicing w3 full time. I can name at least 30 korean players that were part of sponsored teams and were practicing at least 8 hours daily. China and Europe had about the same number of top players. You probably don't know anything about w3, and only heard about Moon because Tastosis hyped him during GSL's. Anyway, koreans didn't dominated Warcraft 3. Unlike BroodWar, they never won WCG except the last 2 years when w3 died in Europe. Other tournaments weren't dominated by them either. Players like Grubby, Sky, TH000, ToD, Fly100% were never underdogs to them. I just hate the mentality of foreigner players that have a BW background. They think the koreans are untouchable and this cuts into their motivation a lot. As for w3, you won't see players like Naniwa, Thorzain or Stephano playing "scared" vs koreans. Grubby, SaSe or ToD are also improving very fast and soon enough they won't start as underdogs vs koreans. The only bw player I like is Mana, he's still improving fast. Sen and IdrA are ok too, but I feel they won't get any better in the near future.
Wc3 wasn't a serious RTS professionally like Brood War or Sc2. Sase, Naniwa, Tod and Thorzain have all said it was far, far easier to be a professional in Wc3 than in Sc2.
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On January 12 2012 10:23 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:11 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 09:32 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think? If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. What a clueless post .... they had a lot of players practicing w3 full time. I can name at least 30 korean players that were part of sponsored teams and were practicing at least 8 hours daily. China and Europe had about the same number of top players. You probably don't know anything about w3, and only heard about Moon because Tastosis hyped him during GSL's. Anyway, koreans didn't dominated Warcraft 3. Unlike BroodWar, they never won WCG except the last 2 years when w3 died in Europe. Other tournaments weren't dominated by them either. Players like Grubby, Sky, TH000, ToD, Fly100% were never underdogs to them. I just hate the mentality of foreigner players that have a BW background. They think the koreans are untouchable and this cuts into their motivation a lot. As for w3, you won't see players like Naniwa, Thorzain or Stephano playing "scared" vs koreans. Grubby, SaSe or ToD are also improving very fast and soon enough they won't start as underdogs vs koreans. The only bw player I like is Mana, he's still improving fast. Sen and IdrA are ok too, but I feel they won't get any better in the near future. Wc3 wasn't a serious RTS professionally like Brood War or Sc2. Sase, Naniwa, Tod and Thorzain have all said it was far, far easier to be a professional in Wc3 than in Sc2.
Warcraft 3 had more prize money and a larger audience than BW did, how wasn't it serious? Moon and Grubby were probably winning as much as Flash or Jaedong. They were also practicing 10+ hours daily.
Yes, koreans didn't had like 10 practice houses for w3 players, but neither did the foreigner players.
It was a equal battleground for everyone and koreans didn't dominated it.
We're not comparing Korean BW with korean W3 here. It's about koreans vs foreigners in Warcraft 3.
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On January 12 2012 10:30 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:23 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 10:11 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 09:32 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think? If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. What a clueless post .... they had a lot of players practicing w3 full time. I can name at least 30 korean players that were part of sponsored teams and were practicing at least 8 hours daily. China and Europe had about the same number of top players. You probably don't know anything about w3, and only heard about Moon because Tastosis hyped him during GSL's. Anyway, koreans didn't dominated Warcraft 3. Unlike BroodWar, they never won WCG except the last 2 years when w3 died in Europe. Other tournaments weren't dominated by them either. Players like Grubby, Sky, TH000, ToD, Fly100% were never underdogs to them. I just hate the mentality of foreigner players that have a BW background. They think the koreans are untouchable and this cuts into their motivation a lot. As for w3, you won't see players like Naniwa, Thorzain or Stephano playing "scared" vs koreans. Grubby, SaSe or ToD are also improving very fast and soon enough they won't start as underdogs vs koreans. The only bw player I like is Mana, he's still improving fast. Sen and IdrA are ok too, but I feel they won't get any better in the near future. Wc3 wasn't a serious RTS professionally like Brood War or Sc2. Sase, Naniwa, Tod and Thorzain have all said it was far, far easier to be a professional in Wc3 than in Sc2. Warcraft 3 had more prize money and a larger audience than BW did, how wasn't it serious? Moon and Grubby were probably winning as much as Flash or Jaedong. They were also practicing 10+ hours daily. Yes, koreans didn't had like 10 practice houses for w3 players, but neither did the foreigner players. It was a equal battleground for everyone and koreans didn't dominated it. We're not comparing Korean BW with korean W3 here. It's about koreans vs foreigners in Warcraft 3.
You had this for Warcraft 3?
![[image loading]](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aw-42JO3qk)
Thought not.
Brood War was by far the biggest, most professional and most difficult ESports.
Were Wc3 teams sponsored by major phone companies and companies like Samsung, Korean Air and Shinhan Bank? These are massive multinational corporations. A little different to Steelseries and Razer.
Why do you assume you know more what it takes than professional Wc3 players who have all said it wasn't that hard to be a pro in Wc3 compared to Sc2?
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On January 12 2012 10:30 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:23 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 10:11 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 09:32 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think? If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. What a clueless post .... they had a lot of players practicing w3 full time. I can name at least 30 korean players that were part of sponsored teams and were practicing at least 8 hours daily. China and Europe had about the same number of top players. You probably don't know anything about w3, and only heard about Moon because Tastosis hyped him during GSL's. Anyway, koreans didn't dominated Warcraft 3. Unlike BroodWar, they never won WCG except the last 2 years when w3 died in Europe. Other tournaments weren't dominated by them either. Players like Grubby, Sky, TH000, ToD, Fly100% were never underdogs to them. I just hate the mentality of foreigner players that have a BW background. They think the koreans are untouchable and this cuts into their motivation a lot. As for w3, you won't see players like Naniwa, Thorzain or Stephano playing "scared" vs koreans. Grubby, SaSe or ToD are also improving very fast and soon enough they won't start as underdogs vs koreans. The only bw player I like is Mana, he's still improving fast. Sen and IdrA are ok too, but I feel they won't get any better in the near future. Wc3 wasn't a serious RTS professionally like Brood War or Sc2. Sase, Naniwa, Tod and Thorzain have all said it was far, far easier to be a professional in Wc3 than in Sc2. Warcraft 3 had more prize money and a larger audience than BW did, how wasn't it serious? Moon and Grubby were probably winning as much as Flash or Jaedong. They were also practicing 10+ hours daily. Yes, koreans didn't had like 10 practice houses for w3 players, but neither did the foreigner players. It was a equal battleground for everyone and koreans didn't dominated it. We're not comparing Korean BW with korean W3 here. It's about koreans vs foreigners in Warcraft 3.
warcraft 3 skill ceiling was a joke.
its not a real true rts.
nobody cared about wc3, it was a huge disappointment.
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more people used wc3 for dota than the actual game if i remember correctly
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On January 12 2012 10:36 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:30 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 10:23 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 10:11 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 09:32 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think? If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. What a clueless post .... they had a lot of players practicing w3 full time. I can name at least 30 korean players that were part of sponsored teams and were practicing at least 8 hours daily. China and Europe had about the same number of top players. You probably don't know anything about w3, and only heard about Moon because Tastosis hyped him during GSL's. Anyway, koreans didn't dominated Warcraft 3. Unlike BroodWar, they never won WCG except the last 2 years when w3 died in Europe. Other tournaments weren't dominated by them either. Players like Grubby, Sky, TH000, ToD, Fly100% were never underdogs to them. I just hate the mentality of foreigner players that have a BW background. They think the koreans are untouchable and this cuts into their motivation a lot. As for w3, you won't see players like Naniwa, Thorzain or Stephano playing "scared" vs koreans. Grubby, SaSe or ToD are also improving very fast and soon enough they won't start as underdogs vs koreans. The only bw player I like is Mana, he's still improving fast. Sen and IdrA are ok too, but I feel they won't get any better in the near future. Wc3 wasn't a serious RTS professionally like Brood War or Sc2. Sase, Naniwa, Tod and Thorzain have all said it was far, far easier to be a professional in Wc3 than in Sc2. Warcraft 3 had more prize money and a larger audience than BW did, how wasn't it serious? Moon and Grubby were probably winning as much as Flash or Jaedong. They were also practicing 10+ hours daily. Yes, koreans didn't had like 10 practice houses for w3 players, but neither did the foreigner players. It was a equal battleground for everyone and koreans didn't dominated it. We're not comparing Korean BW with korean W3 here. It's about koreans vs foreigners in Warcraft 3. You had this for Warcraft 3? Thought not. Brood War was by far the biggest, most professional and most difficult ESports. Were Wc3 teams sponsored by major phone companies and companies like Samsung, Korean Air and Shinhan Bank? These are massive multinational corporations. A little different to Steelseries and Razer. Why do you assume you know more what it takes than professional Wc3 players who have all said it wasn't that hard to be a pro in Wc3 compared to Sc2?
What part of "we're not comparing korean bw to w3" you didn't understood??
I'll repeat it for you, I'm talking about korean w3 vs foreigner w3. Someone said said the koreans are naturally "smarter", but I didn't saw it in w3. And you come here comparing BW win W3 ... wtf
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On January 12 2012 10:55 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:36 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 10:30 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 10:23 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 10:11 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 09:32 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think? If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. What a clueless post .... they had a lot of players practicing w3 full time. I can name at least 30 korean players that were part of sponsored teams and were practicing at least 8 hours daily. China and Europe had about the same number of top players. You probably don't know anything about w3, and only heard about Moon because Tastosis hyped him during GSL's. Anyway, koreans didn't dominated Warcraft 3. Unlike BroodWar, they never won WCG except the last 2 years when w3 died in Europe. Other tournaments weren't dominated by them either. Players like Grubby, Sky, TH000, ToD, Fly100% were never underdogs to them. I just hate the mentality of foreigner players that have a BW background. They think the koreans are untouchable and this cuts into their motivation a lot. As for w3, you won't see players like Naniwa, Thorzain or Stephano playing "scared" vs koreans. Grubby, SaSe or ToD are also improving very fast and soon enough they won't start as underdogs vs koreans. The only bw player I like is Mana, he's still improving fast. Sen and IdrA are ok too, but I feel they won't get any better in the near future. Wc3 wasn't a serious RTS professionally like Brood War or Sc2. Sase, Naniwa, Tod and Thorzain have all said it was far, far easier to be a professional in Wc3 than in Sc2. Warcraft 3 had more prize money and a larger audience than BW did, how wasn't it serious? Moon and Grubby were probably winning as much as Flash or Jaedong. They were also practicing 10+ hours daily. Yes, koreans didn't had like 10 practice houses for w3 players, but neither did the foreigner players. It was a equal battleground for everyone and koreans didn't dominated it. We're not comparing Korean BW with korean W3 here. It's about koreans vs foreigners in Warcraft 3. You had this for Warcraft 3? Thought not. Brood War was by far the biggest, most professional and most difficult ESports. Were Wc3 teams sponsored by major phone companies and companies like Samsung, Korean Air and Shinhan Bank? These are massive multinational corporations. A little different to Steelseries and Razer. Why do you assume you know more what it takes than professional Wc3 players who have all said it wasn't that hard to be a pro in Wc3 compared to Sc2? What part of "we're not comparing korean bw to w3" you didn't understood?? I'll repeat it for you, I'm talking about korean w3 vs foreigner w3. Someone said said the koreans are naturally "smarter", but I didn't saw it in w3. And you come here comparing BW win W3 ... wtf Off topic response to your video (check 1:10): + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkyKM5OY3os
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_III_World_Championships
Koreans and Chinese players dominated Wc3. China doesn't really play Sc2 still mostly Wc3 and Dota.
Don't pretend Europe/NA was as good as Korea in Wc3. Only Grubby competed regularly and sometimes Tod.
WCG doesn't count. It's for lots of different games.
Again Sase, Thorzain, Naniwa they have all said Wc3 was nowhere near as competitive as Sc2.
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On January 12 2012 11:02 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 10:55 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 10:36 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 10:30 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 10:23 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 10:11 cyclone25 wrote:On January 12 2012 09:32 Seraphone wrote:On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote:
People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it.
Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool.
For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc.
For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc.
So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro.
Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead?
What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players.
The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia.
Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter.
What do you guys think? If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. What a clueless post .... they had a lot of players practicing w3 full time. I can name at least 30 korean players that were part of sponsored teams and were practicing at least 8 hours daily. China and Europe had about the same number of top players. You probably don't know anything about w3, and only heard about Moon because Tastosis hyped him during GSL's. Anyway, koreans didn't dominated Warcraft 3. Unlike BroodWar, they never won WCG except the last 2 years when w3 died in Europe. Other tournaments weren't dominated by them either. Players like Grubby, Sky, TH000, ToD, Fly100% were never underdogs to them. I just hate the mentality of foreigner players that have a BW background. They think the koreans are untouchable and this cuts into their motivation a lot. As for w3, you won't see players like Naniwa, Thorzain or Stephano playing "scared" vs koreans. Grubby, SaSe or ToD are also improving very fast and soon enough they won't start as underdogs vs koreans. The only bw player I like is Mana, he's still improving fast. Sen and IdrA are ok too, but I feel they won't get any better in the near future. Wc3 wasn't a serious RTS professionally like Brood War or Sc2. Sase, Naniwa, Tod and Thorzain have all said it was far, far easier to be a professional in Wc3 than in Sc2. Warcraft 3 had more prize money and a larger audience than BW did, how wasn't it serious? Moon and Grubby were probably winning as much as Flash or Jaedong. They were also practicing 10+ hours daily. Yes, koreans didn't had like 10 practice houses for w3 players, but neither did the foreigner players. It was a equal battleground for everyone and koreans didn't dominated it. We're not comparing Korean BW with korean W3 here. It's about koreans vs foreigners in Warcraft 3. You had this for Warcraft 3? Thought not. Brood War was by far the biggest, most professional and most difficult ESports. Were Wc3 teams sponsored by major phone companies and companies like Samsung, Korean Air and Shinhan Bank? These are massive multinational corporations. A little different to Steelseries and Razer. Why do you assume you know more what it takes than professional Wc3 players who have all said it wasn't that hard to be a pro in Wc3 compared to Sc2? What part of "we're not comparing korean bw to w3" you didn't understood?? I'll repeat it for you, I'm talking about korean w3 vs foreigner w3. Someone said said the koreans are naturally "smarter", but I didn't saw it in w3. And you come here comparing BW win W3 ... wtf Off topic response to your video (check 1:10): + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkyKM5OY3os http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_III_World_ChampionshipsKoreans and Chinese players dominated Wc3. China doesn't really play Sc2 still mostly Wc3 and Dota. Don't pretend Europe/NA was as good as Korea in Wc3. Only Grubby competed regularly and sometimes Tod. WCG doesn't count. It's for lots of different games. Again Sase, Thorzain, Naniwa they have all said Wc3 was nowhere near as competitive as Sc2.
Ok, I'm done with you guys. You have no clue about w3 and you just google random stuff about it.
"WCG doesn't count": Ask any w3 pro, this was the event that everyone wanted to win. It's like the GSL of Warcraft 3.
I'll tell you what doesn't count: the last 2-3 years when w3 died in Europe and only a few top players remained active in China/Korea.
But feel free to compare korean/chinese achievements to europen achievements for these years if lying yourself makes you feel better.
We're way off topic here, but that's just because I give attention to posters like you ... arguing with people who think "W3 was a failure and not a true RTS" ... OK.
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Bye then. Keep ignoring the actual opinions of the Euro Wc3 players you rate so highly.
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What the hell is with "JYP: Arguably the true second place" and "Violet: [...] and had some help from the Battle.net gods in beating MarineKing", such dumb and completely irrelevant comments...
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