EPTIf you look at TL articles like Homestory Cup 4 Preview, or October Revolution, this is clearly relevant, and not flame-bait. If it's fair play to cheer-lead for foreigners, it's fair play to keep showing how big the gap actually is.
Now for the actual statistics:
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Group Stage #1 against non-Koreans (Match W/L, Game W/L):
MarineKing: 1-1, 3-2
Violet: 2-0, 4-0
Real: 3-0, 6-0
MC: 3-0, 6-1
Sound: 3-0, 6-0
JYP: 3-0, 6-1
Hero: 3-0, 6-0
Overall: 18-1, 37-4
One loss to non-Koreans: MarineKing to Delphi, 1-2. All Koreans advance.
Group Stage #2 against non-Koreans:
MarineKing: 2-0, 4-0
Violet: 1-1, 2-2 (*Violet 2-0 Naama, not in Liquipedia at time of writing)
Real: 2-0, 4-2
MC: 2-0, 4-1
Sound: 3-0, 6-3
JYP: 2-0, 4-0
Hero: 1-1, 3-2
Overall: 13-2, 27-10
Two losses to non-Koreans, Violet 0-2 Nerchio, Hero 1-2 Nerchio. Hero doesn't advance.
Play-off against non-Koreans:
JYP 3-1 Dimaga
MC 3-0 Nerchio
Complete Tournament against non-Koreans
33-3, 70-15
Looking at the individual Korean results:
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(1) MC: He never lost a match and dropped only two games against foreigners, Socke and Cloud. He then beat Nerchio, who defeated Hero and Violet, 3-0. His only real trouble was against JYP, a fellow Code S player.
(2) Sound: Never lost a match against foreigners, but dropped three games in the second group stage against foreigners. Played two tough series against Real and Violet, was demolished by MC in the finals.
(3) JYP: Arguably the true second place, also never lost a match against foreigners, dropped one game against Goody. Handily defeated Violet, who gave problems to Sound, and gave MC much more trouble than Sound.
(4) Violet: Defeated by Nerchio, and had some help from the Battle.net gods in beating MarineKing. Narrowly beaten by Sound.
Looking at the overall results, it's not surprising. MC, JYP are current Code S. Violet, MKP are former code S, MKP is currently code A (Edit: MKP is current Code S), Violet is training in the US. Sound is a member of StarTale, although he hasn't made a dent in GSL yet, having been knocked out first-round by MVP. Hero is code A, while Real is playing in Germany.
The hierarchy is pretty clear. Those who live in Korea, and achieve success in GSL, were clearly the best at Homestory Cup
Foreigner Hope?
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Not much to be found in this tournament. Obviously, Nerchio is one, beating Violet and Hero, but getting stomped by MC. As Incontrol often commented, the games were often closer than the final score.
Personally, I was pinning my hopes on Socke, but unfortunately he ran into the freight train that is MarineKing, MC in his group, though he did take a game off of MC in the unpredictable PvP matchup.
And, of course, there is the foreigner contingent currently prepping up for GSL. I'm personally excited to see how Huk does. We'll just have to see, as Code S starts up again. (Edit: Yes, I know Huk is going to be Code A, not Code S. I meant GSL in general, but Code S Groups start tomorrow.)
Edit:
On January 09 2012 11:22 Kahmoon wrote:
I think a lot of you are misunderstanding the OP. A lot of the hype beforehand, and a lot of people's predictions, said that foreigners were going to take down the Koreans. That didn't really happen. Sure, there are a lot of people claiming that "Obviously the Koreans would win" after the fact, but there were significantly fewer saying that beforehand. (Like pretty much always...) You could say that this thread is about the hope based predictions of the (foreign)-community, and the sometimes quite unreasonable foreigner bias that is the probable reason for that.
I think a lot of you are misunderstanding the OP. A lot of the hype beforehand, and a lot of people's predictions, said that foreigners were going to take down the Koreans. That didn't really happen. Sure, there are a lot of people claiming that "Obviously the Koreans would win" after the fact, but there were significantly fewer saying that beforehand. (Like pretty much always...) You could say that this thread is about the hope based predictions of the (foreign)-community, and the sometimes quite unreasonable foreigner bias that is the probable reason for that.
Thank you.
Edit:
More stats, from 26 tournaments.
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On January 10 2012 08:16 JinDesu wrote:
Alright, I don't think this was done before, but using the Premier Tournaments Page on Liquidpedia, and selecting foreign tournaments (no GSL, no special GSL events, no events with only koreans), I made this below. For the MLGs, I selected only from the Final Tournament brackets and not included open (because that'd just skew it towards Koreans even more). For every other tournament, I used the brackets shown (usually Ro32).
And before anyone complain about which koreans I selected - I discounted Moonan and Select, but included Puma and Hero as Koreans.
2010
Dreamhack Winter - 30 Foreigners, 2 Koreans, Winner Naama, 1 Korean in Top 8
2011
IEM Season V World Championship - 9 Foreigners, 3 Koreans, Winner Ace, 3 Koreans in Top 8
TSL 3 - 25 Foreigners, 7 Koreans, Winner Thorzain, 2 Koreans in Top 8
Dreamhack Stockholm - 7 Foreigners, 1 Korean, Winner MC
NASL Season 1 - 16 Foreigners, 8 Koreans, Winner Puma, 5 Koreans in Top 8
Copenhagen Games - 57 Foreigners, 3 Koreans, Winner MC, 1 Korean in Top 8
Starwars Killer 6 - 18 Foreigners, 14 Koreans, Winner MC, 2 Koreans in Top 8
MLG Columbus - 19 Foreigners, 5 Koreans, Winner MMA, 4 Koreans in Top 8
Dreamhack Summer - 44 Foreigners, 4 Koreans, Winner Huk, 4 Koreans in Top 8
MLG Anaheim - 18 Foreigners, 6 Koreans, Winner MVP, 6 Koreans in Top 8
Assembly Summer - 31 Foreigners, 1 Korean, Winner Dimaga, 0 Koreans in Top 8
IEM Cologne - 13 Foreigners, 3 Koreans, Winner Puma, 2 Koreans in Top 8
MLG Raleigh - 15 Foreigners, 9 Koreans, Winner Bomber, 6 koreans in Top 8
MLG Invitationals - 2 Foreigners, 2 Koreans, Winner Naniwa
NASL 2 - 13 Foreigners, 3 Koreans, Winner Puma, 2 Koreans in Top 8
Dreamhack Valencia - 5 Foreigners, 3 koreans, Winner Dongraegu
IPL Season 3 - 19 Foreigners, 13 Koreans, Winner Stephano, 5 Koreans in Top 8
IEM Guangzhou[/b] - 12 Foreigners, 4 Koreans, Winner IdrA, 3 Koreans in Top 8
IEM New York - 12 Foreigners, 4 koreans, Winner Dongraegu, 4 Koreans in Top 8
MLG Orlando - 14 Foreigners, 10 koreans, Winner Huk, 6 Koreans in Top 8
Blizzcon Invitationals - 14 Foreigners, 2 Koreans, Winner MVP, 2 Koreans in Top 8
MLG Providence - 17 Foreigners, 15 Koreans, Winner Leenock, 4 Koreans in Top 8
Dreamhack Winter - 12 Foreigners, 4 Koreans, Winner Hero, 3 Koreans in Top 8
World Cybergames - 45 Foreigners, 3 Koreans, Winner MVP, 3 Koreans in Top 8
Blizzard Cup - 2 Foreigners, 8 Koreans, Winner MMA
2012
Homestory Cup - 25 Foreigners, 7 Koreans, Winner MC, 6 koreans in Top 8
To my recollection, TSL 3 and Starwars were online and people keep saying lag is a factor. And the World Cybergames, even though it's 45 foreigners, had a lotta crappy foreigners because of their invite system. Otherwise, everything else should be accurate.
So from the above, the Koreans have won 18 out of 26 foreign premier tournaments.
Sorry for the terrible format, it's freezing cold and I wanted to whip this up in a jiffy.
Alright, I don't think this was done before, but using the Premier Tournaments Page on Liquidpedia, and selecting foreign tournaments (no GSL, no special GSL events, no events with only koreans), I made this below. For the MLGs, I selected only from the Final Tournament brackets and not included open (because that'd just skew it towards Koreans even more). For every other tournament, I used the brackets shown (usually Ro32).
And before anyone complain about which koreans I selected - I discounted Moonan and Select, but included Puma and Hero as Koreans.
2010
Dreamhack Winter - 30 Foreigners, 2 Koreans, Winner Naama, 1 Korean in Top 8
2011
IEM Season V World Championship - 9 Foreigners, 3 Koreans, Winner Ace, 3 Koreans in Top 8
TSL 3 - 25 Foreigners, 7 Koreans, Winner Thorzain, 2 Koreans in Top 8
Dreamhack Stockholm - 7 Foreigners, 1 Korean, Winner MC
NASL Season 1 - 16 Foreigners, 8 Koreans, Winner Puma, 5 Koreans in Top 8
Copenhagen Games - 57 Foreigners, 3 Koreans, Winner MC, 1 Korean in Top 8
Starwars Killer 6 - 18 Foreigners, 14 Koreans, Winner MC, 2 Koreans in Top 8
MLG Columbus - 19 Foreigners, 5 Koreans, Winner MMA, 4 Koreans in Top 8
Dreamhack Summer - 44 Foreigners, 4 Koreans, Winner Huk, 4 Koreans in Top 8
MLG Anaheim - 18 Foreigners, 6 Koreans, Winner MVP, 6 Koreans in Top 8
Assembly Summer - 31 Foreigners, 1 Korean, Winner Dimaga, 0 Koreans in Top 8
IEM Cologne - 13 Foreigners, 3 Koreans, Winner Puma, 2 Koreans in Top 8
MLG Raleigh - 15 Foreigners, 9 Koreans, Winner Bomber, 6 koreans in Top 8
MLG Invitationals - 2 Foreigners, 2 Koreans, Winner Naniwa
NASL 2 - 13 Foreigners, 3 Koreans, Winner Puma, 2 Koreans in Top 8
Dreamhack Valencia - 5 Foreigners, 3 koreans, Winner Dongraegu
IPL Season 3 - 19 Foreigners, 13 Koreans, Winner Stephano, 5 Koreans in Top 8
IEM Guangzhou[/b] - 12 Foreigners, 4 Koreans, Winner IdrA, 3 Koreans in Top 8
IEM New York - 12 Foreigners, 4 koreans, Winner Dongraegu, 4 Koreans in Top 8
MLG Orlando - 14 Foreigners, 10 koreans, Winner Huk, 6 Koreans in Top 8
Blizzcon Invitationals - 14 Foreigners, 2 Koreans, Winner MVP, 2 Koreans in Top 8
MLG Providence - 17 Foreigners, 15 Koreans, Winner Leenock, 4 Koreans in Top 8
Dreamhack Winter - 12 Foreigners, 4 Koreans, Winner Hero, 3 Koreans in Top 8
World Cybergames - 45 Foreigners, 3 Koreans, Winner MVP, 3 Koreans in Top 8
Blizzard Cup - 2 Foreigners, 8 Koreans, Winner MMA
2012
Homestory Cup - 25 Foreigners, 7 Koreans, Winner MC, 6 koreans in Top 8
To my recollection, TSL 3 and Starwars were online and people keep saying lag is a factor. And the World Cybergames, even though it's 45 foreigners, had a lotta crappy foreigners because of their invite system. Otherwise, everything else should be accurate.
So from the above, the Koreans have won 18 out of 26 foreign premier tournaments.
Sorry for the terrible format, it's freezing cold and I wanted to whip this up in a jiffy.
Analysis:
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And we get these results:
Overall Participants
Foreigner: 494 (77.4%)
Korean: 144 (22.6%)
Top 8 finishes
Foreigner: 117 (57.4%)
Korean: 87 (42.6%)
Champion:
Foreigner: 8 (31%)
Korean: 18 (69%)
Average Korean Participant Chances:
60.4% chance of top 8 finish
12.5% chance of being champion
Average Foreigner Participant Chances:
23.7% chance of top 8 finish
1.6% chance of being champion
Average Korean vs. Foreigner Participant Chances:
2.55 times more likely to be a top 8 finisher
7.72 times more likely to be the champion.
(*) Keep in mind that these are not all the participants, these are just the "final bracket" contestants, the top 32, top 60, top 16, whatever may apply. There are 638 total participants tabulated, out of 26 events, so that's an average of 24.3 participants per event. So, call it top-24.
Overall Participants
Foreigner: 494 (77.4%)
Korean: 144 (22.6%)
Top 8 finishes
Foreigner: 117 (57.4%)
Korean: 87 (42.6%)
Champion:
Foreigner: 8 (31%)
Korean: 18 (69%)
Average Korean Participant Chances:
60.4% chance of top 8 finish
12.5% chance of being champion
Average Foreigner Participant Chances:
23.7% chance of top 8 finish
1.6% chance of being champion
Average Korean vs. Foreigner Participant Chances:
2.55 times more likely to be a top 8 finisher
7.72 times more likely to be the champion.
(*) Keep in mind that these are not all the participants, these are just the "final bracket" contestants, the top 32, top 60, top 16, whatever may apply. There are 638 total participants tabulated, out of 26 events, so that's an average of 24.3 participants per event. So, call it top-24.
