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Statistics on HSC4, Foreigners vs. Koreans - Page 25
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Fourn
Greece227 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote: People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it. Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool. For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc. For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc. So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro. Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead? What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players. The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia. Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter. What do you guys think? If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? | ||
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borlee
Liechtenstein246 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote: If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? because wc3 isn t that famous in korea, and i dont think wc3 players had a training schedule like bw pros have | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:26 Fourn wrote: Foreigners put up a good showing in GSL this season. wait wat Yeah Idra is such a noob, playing in such an easy group with only the 2 3 time GSL champions. | ||
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b0lt
United States789 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:45 borlee wrote: because wc3 isn t that famous in korea, and i dont think wc3 players had a training schedule like bw pros have The korean wc3 scene died because the guy in charge of the WC3 league on MBCGame edited the maps at first to make one player win (as an underdog to make the game more popular) and then later on to fix what he viewed as imbalances in the game by editing unit stats (orc units got a little more armor/attack speed, night elf got nerfed a bit, etc.) Essentially, night elf was to WC3 as terran was to sc2 recently (or now? haven't really been following), with basically half of the league being night elves, which led to people getting bored, etc. edit: Also moon, lyn, soccer, and maybe a few more were all on wemadefox, living in the team house, practicing with the same schedule as the BW progamers, and occasionally playing in the weekly in-house ranking tournaments (which moon apparently did surprisingly well in, with 30% games won or something) | ||
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Fourn
Greece227 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:54 hunts wrote: Yeah Idra is such a noob, playing in such an easy group with only the 2 3 time GSL champions. I re-read my post a few times just to make sure I wasn't going crazy because I'm 100% certain I did not call him a noob. For the record, he only played 1 of the GSL champions. If you want to try to argue he did well in this tournament then by all means go ahead, amuse me. | ||
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Smigi
United States328 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 12 2012 07:55 Smigi wrote: One day their will be a foreigner that will change this, bring home a GSL Code S championship. Will never happen I don't think. | ||
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Avs
Korea (North)857 Posts
On January 12 2012 07:55 Smigi wrote: One day their will be a foreigner that will change this, bring home a GSL Code S championship. Yeah, when GSL offers more money than what people can get with an average job on a consistent basis. Then non-koreans will train harder and be more serious and not look at this as a game, but more of a way to live. And then you'll have a better practice environment and more support. And then finally when gaming gets you the girls or money (either or), people will look back and realize that was the only difference. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 12 2012 08:23 Avs wrote: Yeah, when GSL offers more money than what people can get with an average job on a consistent basis. Then non-koreans will train harder and be more serious and not look at this as a game, but more of a way to live. And then you'll have a better practice environment and more support. And then finally when gaming gets you the girls or money (either or), people will look back and realize that was the only difference. We should look into the amount of money progamers make and see how that compares to a regular job. Upteen hours of practice among other things... | ||
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ZerguufOu
United States107 Posts
On January 12 2012 07:55 Smigi wrote: One day their will be a foreigner that will change this, bring home a GSL Code S championship. might be a while. Currently, the best foreigners (idra, sen, naniwa) are code A material at best | ||
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
Would have messed up all these stats easy. | ||
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Daehlie
United States43 Posts
It will take sometime to close this gap, however as with the example of the NBA and Foreign leagues, the gap shrinks each year, and eventually I believe it will begin to normalize. However as long as the largest share of the money and fame being dispensed are coming from Korea, it will continue to dominate competition and draw away prospective talent from the Foreign teams. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On January 12 2012 08:39 TheTurk wrote: Wish Stephano had done better. Would have messed up all these stats easy. I wish Thorzain had done better. Would have messed up all these stats easy I wish Hasuobs had done better. Would have messed up all these stats easy. I wish Ret had done better. Would have messed up all these stats easy. ahh.... | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 12 2012 02:33 cyclone25 wrote: If koreans are "smarter" why didn't they dominate in Warcraft 3 too? They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On January 10 2012 18:46 xrapture wrote: People say the only difference between foreigners and Korean is training regiment, but I've been thinking about it. Let's compare NBA in the United States to SC2 in South Korea. Growing up in the respective countries, each nation's youth watches and idolizes the sport and its players. Being an NBA superstar comes with the glamour, women, and money and while, of course, Starcraft pros are far from that, they are still considered celebrities in their country. The aforementioned means that Basketball in the US and Starcraft in South Korea will draw in the most talented players from their countries talent pool. For basketball important traits are: height, agility, coordination, stamina, etc. For Starcraft: intelligence, reaction speed, analytic abilities, and etc. So in the US the nations fastest, tallest, quickest citizens will be playing basketball their entire lives, hoping to become pro. Does Korea's smartest most analytic citizens play Starcraft? Maybe not the elite level of the talent pool like the NBA, but certainly more so than SC in the US. Polt is in Korea's equivilency to Harvard. Marinekingprime's father said he wanted his son to become a lawyer or doctor. How many potential lawyers or doctors have chosen the life of a pro gamer in Korea instead? What about the US? Gaming is frowned upon in our society. Those with the traits that would enable them to excel at SC are in College becoming engineers, lawyers, doctors, etc. The vast majority of them have never even heard the word starcraft. In America, becoming a progamer is more about opportunity than ability. Loners and nerds in high school, people not yet in the workforce with a lot of free time, and yes there are college students-- but it isn't the same as the Korean SC players. The average IQ in South Korea is 106, while it's 98 in the states. It might not seem like a lot, but the difference between South Korea and the US is the same as the US and Columbia. Now, are we willing to admit the IQ of the average Korean pro sc2 player is higher than that of the average foreign pro sc2 player? As illustrated before, Starcraft in Korea taps more into their nation's talent pool than Starcraft outside of it. The average IQ of a Korean progamer is what? Probably 120? and maybe 105 for foreigners. Future Engineers will naturally do better than future construction workers, department store workers, and factory workers because Starcraft appeals more to their skillset than the latter. What do you guys think? You know there are quite a few guys who play this game who have those skills you outlined right? We have a lot of smarties. Your comments are really out there. A lot of Korean parents frowned up their kids playing BW and becoming pro's at first if you read a lot of their interviews. O_O | ||
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mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 12 2012 09:36 StarStruck wrote: You know there are quite a few guys who play this game who have those skills you outlined right? We have a lot of smarties. Your comments are really out there. A lot of Korean parents frowned up their kids playing BW and becoming pro's at first if you read a lot of their interviews. O_O Since when has IQ ever been a good indicator of intelligence anyway? | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On January 12 2012 09:32 Seraphone wrote: They didn't play Wc3. They did have Moon, the best player of all time though. What a clueless post .... they had a lot of players practicing w3 full time. I can name at least 30 korean players that were part of sponsored teams and were practicing at least 8 hours daily. China and Europe had about the same number of top players. You probably don't know anything about w3, and only heard about Moon because Tastosis hyped him during GSL's. Anyway, koreans didn't dominated Warcraft 3. Unlike BroodWar, they never won WCG except the last 2 years when w3 died in Europe. Other tournaments weren't dominated by them either. Players like Grubby, Sky, TH000, ToD, Fly100% were never underdogs to them. I just hate the mentality of foreigner players that have a BW background. They think the koreans are untouchable and this cuts into their motivation a lot. As for w3, you won't see players like Naniwa, Thorzain or Stephano playing "scared" vs koreans. Grubby, SaSe or ToD are also improving very fast and soon enough they won't start as underdogs vs koreans. The only bw player I like is Mana, he's still improving fast. Sen and IdrA are ok too, but I feel they won't get any better in the near future. | ||
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