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On January 06 2012 08:39 DrGreen wrote:
Calling Dota2 and CoD eSports just because they had one tournament with big price pool sponsored by develpoer, LOL.
And no, Blizzard wont host any tournament with 10M price pool. They dont need to do that in order to be successful.
Well the simple example is the $5,000,000 USD with Riot's season 2. However eSports is picking up extremely fast.
Microsoft and Sony competed head to head.
Sony, sponsored MLG's Black OPS tournaments (Sony Excursion)
Microsoft, Call of Duty XP the million dollar XBOX 360 tournament of MW3.
10,000,000 is not an exaggerated number. It is a very realistic number. Now that gamers are more aware of eSports companies are going to try to win over gamers with larger prize pools.
Call of Duty MW3 - 1,000,000 USD
DotA 2 - 1,600,000 USD
Upcoming
Battlefield 3 - 1,600,000 USD
So yes, other publishers/developers are spending money on developing eSports so does Blizzard. Other companies however are starting to up the ante and Blizzard if they continue at the same pace as they did in 2011 will fall behind in 2012.
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Battlefield 3 will never become an esport.
It is based on teams of 32 players each side. No company would buy this many flight tickets.
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On January 06 2012 08:43 Mafs wrote:
I think Dota & Dota 2 should be considered the same thing because its the same damn games. Its like saying Half Life, and Half Life Source are different games. They aren't.
Sc1 and sc2?
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The Sc2 Community is too beastly, i hope it continues to put some distance between 2nd place in prize pools 
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On January 06 2012 08:45 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:43 Mafs wrote:
I think Dota & Dota 2 should be considered the same thing because its the same damn games. Its like saying Half Life, and Half Life Source are different games. They aren't. Sc1 and sc2?
zzz they are different games. DotA and DotA 2 are borderline mimic
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On January 06 2012 08:45 Trevor.PGT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:39 DrGreen wrote:
Calling Dota2 and CoD eSports just because they had one tournament with big price pool sponsored by develpoer, LOL.
And no, Blizzard wont host any tournament with 10M price pool. They dont need to do that in order to be successful. Well the simple example is the $5,000,000 USD with Riot's season 2. However eSports is picking up extremely fast. Microsoft and Sony competed head to head. Sony, sponsored MLG's Black OPS tournaments (Sony Excursion) Microsoft, Call of Duty XP the million dollar XBOX 360 tournament of MW3. 10,000,000 is not an exaggerated number. It is a very realistic number. Now that gamers are more aware of eSports companies are going to try to win over gamers with larger prize pools. Call of Duty MW3 - 1,000,000 USD DotA 2 - 1,600,000 USD Upcoming Battlefield 3 - 1,600,000 USD So yes, other publishers/developers are spending money on developing eSports so does Blizzard. Other companies however are starting to up the ante and Blizzard if they continue at the same pace as they did in 2011 will fall behind in 2012.
woah I didn't know this! So happy for e-sports! And yes blizzard needs to support SC2 way more (like start with LAN...).
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On January 06 2012 08:47 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:45 Linwelin wrote:On January 06 2012 08:43 Mafs wrote:
I think Dota & Dota 2 should be considered the same thing because its the same damn games. Its like saying Half Life, and Half Life Source are different games. They aren't. Sc1 and sc2? zzz they are different games. DotA and DotA 2 are borderline mimic
I'm no DotA expert but from what I've seen DotA 2 is DotA 1 with new graphics and some new stuff added (Heroes/items etc)
Same thing can be said for sc2
Please correct me if i'm wrong
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gogoo long live sc2 !!!! most frendly and helpful comunity in ESPORTS !!! WooOooOooHooOooOoOoOOooooo
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Lookin' good. I can honestly see Sc2 competing with LoL next year. 5mil is a lot, but Sc2 is getting bigger and more competetive, it's grown so much this year. Until LoL has its issues worked out it's just going to be a game with tons of money behind it and it'll be phased out over time. Here's hoping for a good year for both games. =)
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United States7481 Posts
On January 06 2012 08:49 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:47 Kenpachi wrote:On January 06 2012 08:45 Linwelin wrote:On January 06 2012 08:43 Mafs wrote:
I think Dota & Dota 2 should be considered the same thing because its the same damn games. Its like saying Half Life, and Half Life Source are different games. They aren't. Sc1 and sc2? zzz they are different games. DotA and DotA 2 are borderline mimic I'm no DotA expert but from what I've seen DotA 2 is DotA 1 with new graphics and some new stuff added (Heroes/items etc) Same thing can be said for sc2 Please correct me if i'm wrong
this is incorrect, dota2 is a direct port.
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On January 06 2012 08:54 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:49 Linwelin wrote:On January 06 2012 08:47 Kenpachi wrote:On January 06 2012 08:45 Linwelin wrote:On January 06 2012 08:43 Mafs wrote:
I think Dota & Dota 2 should be considered the same thing because its the same damn games. Its like saying Half Life, and Half Life Source are different games. They aren't. Sc1 and sc2? zzz they are different games. DotA and DotA 2 are borderline mimic I'm no DotA expert but from what I've seen DotA 2 is DotA 1 with new graphics and some new stuff added (Heroes/items etc) Same thing can be said for sc2 Please correct me if i'm wrong this is incorrect, dota2 is a direct port.
My bad then
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On January 06 2012 08:20 m3rciless wrote:
lol dota2 had one tournament basically. Pretty joke esport at the moment.
Now, let's not knock DOTA like that. NFL is the only major league of American football, but that does not make it a joke either. I am a SC2 fan first, but killing off the other games doesnt necessarily help SC2 pro scene either.
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On January 06 2012 08:49 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:47 Kenpachi wrote:On January 06 2012 08:45 Linwelin wrote:On January 06 2012 08:43 Mafs wrote:
I think Dota & Dota 2 should be considered the same thing because its the same damn games. Its like saying Half Life, and Half Life Source are different games. They aren't. Sc1 and sc2? zzz they are different games. DotA and DotA 2 are borderline mimic I'm no DotA expert but from what I've seen DotA 2 is DotA 1 with new graphics and some new stuff added (Heroes/items etc) Same thing can be said for sc2 Please correct me if i'm wrong
DotA 2 was created to be a stand alone version of DotA. DotA was a WarCaft 3 Frozen Throne custom map based on a custom StarCraft map Areon of Strife.
DotA 2 will of course have some new content but they are purposely making it similar to DotA. They mentioned this when they launched their DotA 2 tournament 'The International'
The DotA 2 tournament was made up of DotA teams to show gamers that the transition will be simple and the game play would remain same while including new and useful features.
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I'm curious how these compare to the SCI payouts still going on in Korea. Counting saleries, Brood War proscene still has to be the highest, right?
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On January 06 2012 08:49 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:47 Kenpachi wrote:On January 06 2012 08:45 Linwelin wrote:On January 06 2012 08:43 Mafs wrote:
I think Dota & Dota 2 should be considered the same thing because its the same damn games. Its like saying Half Life, and Half Life Source are different games. They aren't. Sc1 and sc2? zzz they are different games. DotA and DotA 2 are borderline mimic I'm no DotA expert but from what I've seen DotA 2 is DotA 1 with new graphics and some new stuff added (Heroes/items etc) Same thing can be said for sc2 Please correct me if i'm wrong
DotA2, by carbon copying the original, just allows a more friendly engine for DotA gameplay. Strategies remain the same. Some aspects do change because it is a new engine but in BW -> SC2, everything is changed. units are removed, Engine changes entirely, strategies are vastly different, different style of game play, a new game essentially... People from BW were only ahead of the crowd because of superior mechanics and game sense..
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On January 06 2012 08:39 Trevor.PGT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:22 Lonyo wrote:That $2.5m number is actually wrong. I did a rough estimate from the Liquipedia list of major competitions, came out at at least $3m USD. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_TournamentsThis list, with 3 missing, comes to $2.43m, then there are thousands from the less major events, and then there are the minor events, and then there are the events not listed, like possibly some Taiwanese and Chinese stuff for starters. The number provided is the number we (PGT) can prove with individually researched tournaments. We focus on tournaments with $1,000 and more in prize pool. These tournaments cover the majority of the prizes with daily/weekly/monthly StarCraft 2 tournaments paying from our rough estimations $60,000 over the year 2011. Our number is what we can prove and a minimum amount of prizes for StarCraft 2 over 2011. This minimum proved amount is still much larger than other eSports for 2011. One feature we are adding to the site over 2012 is to allow anyone to add tournaments to our database that will then be manually approved. This will allow us to keep track of much smaller prize pool tournaments ranging $100-1,000. But again, the vast majority of prizes are paid out with $1,000 or more prize pool events.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_Tournaments
These 3 pages have a listing of most of the major tournaments of 2011, along with prize money per tournament.
Many have already converted prize values into USD, some have not.
Just by going through those three lists, which link to tournament results pages, which then link to individual competition pages, you can "research" these tournaments, and quickly view the prize pools if you don't trust the summaries
By adding up the total values on these pages, and converting any non-USD values to USD values, based on the worst exchange rate of the past 12 months in order to ensure a worst case figure, and assuming that pre-converted prize values are broadly accurate, the total prize money from those three lists of tournaments alone, for 2011 only, comes to over $3m USD.
Not sure how you go about "proving" the prize money of tournaments, especially since you probably still included tournaments which haven't paid out (there is a thread about this on TL).
In theory it's a nice idea to do such calculations, to a point, but your numbers don't seem to be well sourced for SC2. I have no idea about the other scenes personally.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0Asv3XungDSzjdGZSVUVHOWw0RG9nSzViekhhVEVtdGc&single=true&gid=0&output=html
Very raw data.
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Russian Federation396 Posts
hmm i think there was a tournament for LoL that was ~2million prize pool...
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Lonyo In theory it's a nice idea to do such calculations, to a point, but your numbers don't seem to be well sourced for SC2. I have no idea about the other scenes personally.]
To clarify the numbers are the additions of individual tournaments researched by us, PGT. Each of these tournaments has its own static page with its own source.
You are welcome to go through each tournament and confirm our sources and we will be happy to correct any tournament you find with incorrect information. We go right to the source for each tournament that makes up the total prize pool numbers in this post.
Yes, sometimes the source is Team Liquid. TL is the best website for anything StarCraft 2 and many organizers announce their tournaments on this site making TL the source of the tournament.
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Regardless, those LoL prizepools are split amongst a team of five people, while SC2 you have a sole player getting the majority of the money from winning (mvp, mc).
The highest skilled games' players are still the highest paid.
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Sweden634 Posts
On January 06 2012 08:23 Goldbullet wrote:
Not to hate on DOTA but I just don't see it competing with starcraft because it takes less skill to play and is basically a mirror of LoL.
I so hope this is a troll
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