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And LoL tournament streams that have worked always collected an insane viewer count, like dreamhack was it 120k or even 200k? Other bigger tourneys which didn't suffer too bad from technical issues with the spectator client (or lack of it) have got close to 100k. Being a free to play game it gets quite the playerbase and following.
The pro streamers also gather big crowds, 10-20k for hotshott is common and when he is not online someone else will get that 10k and a few will get 5-7k viewers.
at this moment of writing, TSM and SK are scrimming and streamer from TSM's got 20k viewers and streamer from SK 10k. Add in the other streamers from both teams and there's over 40k people watching these teams just practice.
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On January 06 2012 08:10 Severus_ wrote: Where is League of Legends and Counter-Strike ?
Counter Strike 1.6 is a very steady game, it has about $500,000 in prizes over 2011. This is about the same as in 2010.
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That $2.5m number is actually wrong. I did a rough estimate from the Liquipedia list of major competitions, came out at at least $3m USD.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments This list, with 3 missing, comes to $2.43m, then there are thousands from the less major events, and then there are the minor events, and then there are the events not listed, like possibly some Taiwanese and Chinese stuff for starters.
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Not to hate on DOTA but I just don't see it competing with starcraft because it takes less skill to play and is basically a mirror of LoL.
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A more telling figure is independently organized event prize money (money other than that which is put up by the publishing company). That number would be more representative of the strength of the game as a business...and thus a legitimate 'sport'.
I don't think starcraft has much to worry about in that category.
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On January 06 2012 08:17 firehand101 wrote: 1,000,000 out of the 1.6 of dota was from that 1 mil tournament, so not much from others when you think about it. Although they did start much later than starcraft, so i dont know....
well. its actually a 1.6mill prizepool tourney. 1mil for 1st place. balance for 2nd 3rd and 4th.
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On January 06 2012 08:23 Goldbullet wrote: Not to hate on DOTA but I just don't see it competing with starcraft because it takes less skill to play and is basically a mirror of LoL.
You are aware of which order DoTA and LoL came out in right?
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On January 06 2012 08:23 Goldbullet wrote: Not to hate on DOTA but I just don't see it competing with starcraft because it takes less skill to play and is basically a mirror of LoL. Lol, someone doesn't know anything about MOBA's
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On January 06 2012 08:23 Goldbullet wrote: Not to hate on DOTA but I just don't see it competing with starcraft because it takes less skill to play and is basically a mirror of LoL. LOL
Anyways, just wait till the chinese start picking up dota 2. I bet it'll become huge. I like LoL, but dota is a better esport in terms of mobas.
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I don't really care whose the biggest, more that all the games get big. Whether that be DotA2, LoL, BF3, or even fighting games (yeah right they don't want money) all are good for ESPORTS! I'm hoping for the best!
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On January 06 2012 08:23 Goldbullet wrote: Not to hate on DOTA but I just don't see it competing with starcraft because it takes less skill to play and is basically a mirror of LoL. You realize taht LoL is a DOTA clone right?....
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On January 06 2012 08:23 Goldbullet wrote: Not to hate on DOTA but I just don't see it competing with starcraft because it takes less skill to play and is basically a mirror of LoL. Fascinating, do continue
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Haha a 10,000,000 dollar blizz tournament is a bit of a stretch , I'd be fine with just a 1,000,000 sc2 tournament - after all, the other games play as teams so that huge sum is a lot less meaningful for the individual players.
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Calling Dota2 and CoD eSports just because they had one tournament with big price pool sponsored by develpoer, LOL.
And no, Blizzard wont host any tournament with 10M price pool. They dont need to do that in order to be successful.
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On January 06 2012 08:22 Lonyo wrote:That $2.5m number is actually wrong. I did a rough estimate from the Liquipedia list of major competitions, came out at at least $3m USD. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_TournamentsThis list, with 3 missing, comes to $2.43m, then there are thousands from the less major events, and then there are the minor events, and then there are the events not listed, like possibly some Taiwanese and Chinese stuff for starters.
The number provided is the number we (PGT) can prove with individually researched tournaments. We focus on tournaments with $1,000 and more in prize pool. These tournaments cover the majority of the prizes with daily/weekly/monthly StarCraft 2 tournaments paying from our rough estimations $60,000 over the year 2011.
Our number is what we can prove and a minimum amount of prizes for StarCraft 2 over 2011. This minimum proved amount is still much larger than other eSports for 2011.
One feature we are adding to the site over 2012 is to allow anyone to add tournaments to our database that will then be manually approved. This will allow us to keep track of much smaller prize pool tournaments ranging $100-1,000. But again, the vast majority of prizes are paid out with $1,000 or more prize pool events.
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thanks hope SC2 will still be first in 2012 :D
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i dont really consider LOL or DOTA 2 as truely competing esports, i mean sure as a player all that matters is the prize money and you dont care where it comes from.
But honestly if it was not for a huge amount of spoon feeding by the producers of LOL and DOTA 2 they would not be anywhere close, they are basically cheating .
Blizzard has the most money of them all, if blizzard decided to announce 7 million in prize money for the uppcoming years in sc2 expansions, That would dwarf LOL and DOTA 2, But they dont believe that its the right way, because its a "fake" esport scene.
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I think Dota & Dota 2 should be considered the same thing because its the same damn games. Its like saying Half Life, and Half Life Source are different games. They aren't.
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What about salaries? Ancilliary income?
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