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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 24 2011 00:56 GMT
#81
If they want hero units, just give me zealots that look cooler the more kills they get. No buffs, they just look sweeter. I'll make my own hero unit. Hero probes!
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JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
December 24 2011 00:57 GMT
#82
If they wanna have hero units then all races needs one!

But no, hero units does not fit well in a competetive economic oriented RTS game.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26155 Posts
December 24 2011 01:00 GMT
#83
I don't mind the concept, but it clearly has demonstrably failed in the case of the mothership at least going by community feedback. Still will be a pity to lose that potent weapon vs lategame infestor/BL compositions

The new Thor seems worse, at least in the way I've heard it described it sounds really monotonous and boring. REALLY, boring.
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LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-24 01:04:25
December 24 2011 01:00 GMT
#84
To everyone being ridiculous about this and not realizing I am not talking about the units specifically but the IDEOLOGY BEHIND HERO UNITS IN SC2. Or if you want give me a massive ultralisk that can walk over all units and when he attacks a certain radius of units are lifted up into the air that cant out run the massive super mega ultralisk sweeping attack and then give me banelings in the air (scourge) that blow up most your army that are lifted into the air. Its fair because all you have to do is hit "a" to perform the attack and then hit "a" to send your suicide scourge units into the air where all the units are since thats about the same amount of skill required to vortex and move archons into a vortex.

Edit: I prob should delete this because I am fearful that in the last expansion of sc2 this may actually happen if they read this thread sigh
JD, need I say more? :D
DocGore
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany15 Posts
December 24 2011 01:07 GMT
#85
I'm pretty sure by nowthat they realized that the concept of a hero unit doesn't fit very well into SC2.

The Thor change might be based on a completly different issue: The reasoning behind exchanging the Thor with a more mobile mech unit is absolutely fine, but they might be unable to remove the Thor completly because the owners of the WOL collectors edition wont be able to show off their shiny special Thor skin anymore, therefore they desperatly try to find a new use for the Thor model and come up with the latest nonsense

it is an absolutely stupid reason from a balancing standpoint, but i can absolutely imagine some management decisions that take this into account

iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
December 24 2011 01:11 GMT
#86
On December 24 2011 08:34 Ninja_Bread wrote:
What a flawed vote system "especially when only one race has access to it"

Why can't people who make polls just have 'yes' 'no' and then let people write why in their descriptions....

Less margin of error is it is more specific. That's why but i agree with you aswell to an extent
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MagicJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia2 Posts
December 24 2011 01:12 GMT
#87
You say you're not arguing about balance yet you spend half of your post QQing about how zerg sucks against mothership?
OzkanTheFlip
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States246 Posts
December 24 2011 01:15 GMT
#88
make a new poll with only 2 answers, yes or no
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ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
December 24 2011 01:18 GMT
#89
i hate hero units, they are so silly, sc2 doesnt need them at all.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-24 01:20:43
December 24 2011 01:20 GMT
#90
I think this is for forcefields, terran need a massive (ground) unit.

Or do they? /Drops
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 24 2011 01:21 GMT
#91
Hahaha yeah the hero unit is the least of Blizzard's game design flaws.

On December 24 2011 08:42 NoobSkills wrote:
I claimed it was a "hero" day one. People said this isn't warcraft -_-

Either way if you think THIS is the reason they fail as a company now you're mistaken. It is THIS and everything else they do that fucking blows. They've sold out like many other companies. Too bad. Buy 3 games then finally receive the whole SC2 game. Balance for the moronic bronze leaguers who complain all day. Create the worst maps put those into the ladder which causes map pools for the tournaments to be shit as well except maybe the GSL. Now, they're making D3 and I bet once we reach the end game that will be shit as well.

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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
December 24 2011 01:22 GMT
#92
You have a good point and i agree with you, but you are a whiny little kid thus nothing much will come out of this thread
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LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-24 01:23:08
December 24 2011 01:22 GMT
#93
sigh nvm i give up
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Baldeagle
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6 Posts
December 24 2011 01:25 GMT
#94
what's wrong with the mothership? It's good in late game PvZ, and protoss can't beat the broodlord/infestor deathball without it.
RacerX
Profile Joined December 2010
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-24 01:31:33
December 24 2011 01:25 GMT
#95
T_T I just want me goliath back, thor big nono.

I see adding hero units to SC incredibly hard to balance, and I don't see them actually having a place within the game. I would personally just like to see new units.
Thats the power of pine sol
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
December 24 2011 01:26 GMT
#96
On December 24 2011 08:36 ZAiNs wrote:
It seems like you just want to vent because you lost to a Mothership...


its true he is venting cause of that he lost to kiwiGotC yesterday on stream cause of the mothership and raged the whole time after he saw it lol
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Zeroxk
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway1244 Posts
December 24 2011 01:27 GMT
#97
Motherships are excellent for BM or manner motherships
Daniri
Profile Joined May 2007
387 Posts
December 24 2011 01:28 GMT
#98
Haven't even given five seconds thought to the new Thor as it's incredibly unlikely to survive alpha testing.
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m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
December 24 2011 01:29 GMT
#99
next thread down, everyone saying how much they will miss mothership antics except a few bitter zergs.
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MidKnight
Profile Joined December 2008
Lithuania884 Posts
December 24 2011 01:32 GMT
#100
On December 24 2011 09:43 suejak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 09:36 MidKnight wrote:
SC2 is just Bowder's attempt at creating another C&C. Radar (sentry) towers, every unit with a special ability, big random hero units, command centers upgrading to an immobile fortress, spies (changelings), jetpacks etc.
He's not a bad guy, but he just doesn't get what made BW so good.

Yet somehow, he helped make this brilliant game that is easily the most successful competitive RTS game in the west ever.


SC2's success is directly influenced by BW's success. They had to fuck up REALLY badly to fluke SC2. And it's Blizzard, so they can't really do that, at the very least it's gonna be solid. No one's arguing that it's the best RTS game on the market, it just.. Could be even better
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